Meher Baba & Giovanni Francis of Assisi

To discover Saint Francis was name John (Giovanni) by he mother, who I now consider to have been a Nazarite Mother after Hannah, Elizabeth, and Samson’s in-named mother, I might own proof there is a God. I am not offering a sublime rapture of spiritual feelings, nor do I seek any followers. My hand has been forced. God has taken everything from me in His Election. Job and Jonah and I have much in common.

My grandmother, Mary Magdalene Rosamond, visited the Ojai Center and made friends with members of the Theosophical Society that suggested Khrishnamurti was the Second Christ. I suspect Mary looked at me as a candidate.

The felling of Baba’s oak nearby, tells me there is a great spiritual wind and fire that is electing God’s People in a way I will describe to you. Consider Elijah being taken up in a Chariot of Fire.

Giovanni ‘The Nazarite’

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jiddu_Krishnamurti

Meher Baba and Saint Francis

Greg 1974 Vicki

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“Saint Francis of Assisi was the only one of the very few saints in Europe to become a Perfect Master.”

Just before Jesus died, he said; “I am thirsty.” The first thing I said when I came back to life, after seeing the Lord, was; “I’m thirsty.”

Consider Mary Dominica Wieneke and the Order of Saint Francis. In searching for the Blue Angel that appeared to my sisters while they slept, and Kay Coakley, I look to my aunt, June Rice, who took care of me while I had the hooping cough. I almost died several times. I was eleven. I had turned blue and my fingers were contorted when I came into the living room where my aunt Lillian and uncle Dick were sitting. Lillian screamed, and Dick started hitting me on my back.

When June would come to my bed in her nightgown, I saw a blue glow coming from her abdomen. She could not have a child due to some operations. She and Vinnie treated me like their child, and were my patrons. June was a devout Catholic.
I suspect this blue angel is associated with Mother Mary. I wondered if it was her ghost. But, I believe it is the Angel that came to Saint Francis when he died during a terrible illness, and came back.

I suspect I am the embodiment of Saint Francis. When I read about Baba coming to the true cave of Saint Francis, all of a sudden I had a vision. I was sitting in that cave. I heard the dry summer grass being stepped upon. Suddenly Baba’s face is beaming at me. I reached out my wounded hand and cried;

“Father!”

Not the energy around me (click on photo to enlarge) Christine and Brian took photos of me because Christine wanted to do her first portrait of a male. She developed both rolls, and was shocked to see this energy in every image of me. she did not do my portrait because of it.

Baba told his disciples not to touch him when he came out of the cave. Above is Vicki mocking me while I am doing my secret work. She is reaching out with her finger to touch me while I have my eyes closed.

Jon Gregory

Beloved Avatar Meher Baba’s Comment on Saint Francis of Assisi:

{1}. On another occasion, Baba revealed to Filis and Adele his four favorite Christian saints,
“My two favorite women saints are Saint Theresa of Avila and Catherine of Siena; my two favorite men, Francis of Assisi and Saint Augustine.”
[LordMEHER 11-3818]

{2}. Do you know how St. Francis of Assisi loved Jesus and became one with him? He loved him as Jesus ought to be loved; but in Francis’s group there was one who was a glutton.
Juniper loved Francis most, though he did not sit in meditation or think of anything. He gave more trouble to Francis than anyone, yet he loved Francis dearly. When we love from the bottom of our hearts we give all our good and bad, even our troubles; the lover gives everything and demands nothing. I give everything and demand nothing.
Love me like that and Baba is your slave. Even if you can’t do that, don’t worry. As long as you are mine, you need not worry. You are mine, that is why I have drawn you such long distances. If you can’t picture me, don’t worry; if you don’t love me, don’t worry; I love you.
-Avatar Meher Baba
[The God-Man Pg.257]

{3}. If you have the love for Me that Saint Francis had for Jesus, then not only will you realize Me but you will please Me.” -Avatar Meher Baba “Saint Francis of Assisi was the only one of the very few saints in Europe to become a Perfect Master.”
*** Meher Baba said Saint Francis was a Perfect Master.
AFTERWARDS he spoke with Ivy Duce, Don Stevens and others about Saint Francis:
Don Stevens asked, “Baba, you have explained in the Discourses, God Speaks and elsewhere that an individual cannot attain God-Realization without the aid of a living Perfect Master. Since there was no Perfect Master in Europe at that time, how did Saint Francis achieve Realization?”
Baba turned to Ivy and asked, “Have you heard of the ancient Sufi prophet, Khwaja Khizr?” She replied that she had heard Rabia Martin speak of him. Baba explained: “Khwaja Khizr now and then takes on a physical body if there is some spiritual situation that absolutely demands it. The Realization of Francis was such a case, because he had no Perfect Master to give him Realization. So, on the night we read about on Mount La Verna, near Assisi, during which St. Francis also received the stigmata [wounds of the Crucified Christ], Khwaja Khizr, in his temporary human form, gave this beloved Western saint the touch of grace which made him a Perfect Soul – a Qutub or Perfect Master.”
[LordMEHER 14-5011]

{4}. BABA WISHED to stay in seclusion for twenty-four hours somewhere in Italy and chose Assisi for the purpose because it was the homeland of Saint Francis. Baba sent Herbert there on August 1st in search of a cave for the seclusion [LordMEHER 5-1688]

{5}.As you know, I need none of you. I can work my will independently, but I have chosen, for my own reasons, a few to help me in that work. But these few need a love and faith as rare as that of Saint Francis [of Assisi]. Let that same love of his for Christ be your goal, and love me as he loved his Master.
-Avatar Meher Baba [LordMEHER 7-2332]
{6}.12th Way -LOVE…If you have that love for Me that St. Francis had for Jesus, then not only will you realize Me, but you will please Me.
[12 ways of realizing me -Meher Baba]

My reason* for believing there is a significant kernel of truth to these theories of Jesus living in India and being buried in Kashmir, is that my master, Meher Baba, said that was the case.

However, Meher Baba was also clear that Jesus was the Avatar of that era. The Avatar is God descended into our realm of cosmic illusion as a man, the ideal or perfect man. Thus he is both God and man simultaneously.

Jesus the Christ The author of this website appears to have a bias (we all have biases) that Jesus was a man only, and that any suggestion that he was divine or of divine origin is a matter of myth. I think his thesis that Jesus’s memory was embellished to make the new religion more palatable to gentiles who were already familiar with similar myths, is plausible. Again, for my bottom-line evaluation, I personally, as a follower of Meher Baba, turn to his explanations rather than to scholarship. (You of course are welcome to give your own weight to various sources.) According to Meher Baba, Jesus was conceived and was born “the usual way,” i.e., the virgin birth was a myth added later on. Jesus did not die from the crucifixion in the sense we usually think of death, but what he did was also not something possible for an ordinary man–he entered the state of Nirvikalpa Samadhi and then returned after the crucifixion, and went to India. If you study the life of Sri Ramakrishna, you will find that he often entered this State, as for example when something would remind him strongly of some particular attribute of God, or when devotional songs were sung in his presence. Nirvikalpa Samadhi is the state of God-Realization or Self-Realization. Jesus, as Avatar, would have had this state along with his ordinary consciousness of being a man, simultaneously. Nirvikalpa Samadhi is only attained by the real death of the limited mind and ego. Jesus already possessed this state of Realization (having been unveiled from it by John the Baptist). So in a sense, Jesus died the real death on the cross, not the faint shadow of it that we consider to be death. One could also say that Jesus was already “dead” in a sense; or one could equally say that he was already beyond death and in the state of being fully alive, so that it was impossible for him to die in the usual sense.** In this sense, whether Jesus took up his same physical body after the crucifixion or didn’t, would not change who Jesus IS one iota. He could take it up again or not take it up again and he would remain the Avatar. In the same way, he was the Avatar before his incarnation as well–“Before Abraham was, I am.” The entire matter is really beyond words to describe adequately, and it comes as no surprise to me how 2,000 years of interpreting and trying to codify it into a rigid doctrine resulted in what has come down to us.

Meher Baba also makes no mention of Jesus being married, but instead refers to him as being single. Comparing events in the life of Meher Baba, the story in the Tomb of Jesus website of the king insisting on Jesus having a companion, and Jesus finally agreeing to allow a woman to assist him, is plausible. However, his having had sexual relations with the woman is not consistent with the behavior of spiritual teachers who have attained this degree of spiritual advancement. I would guess it was assumed on the basis of gossip, by people who could not conceive of a man living with a woman and not having relations with her. If you study the lives of spiritual masters who have achieved this state of consciousness, you find that some of them marry and some do not, but they never get entangled in casual sexual relations. While it is true that spiritual masters of this calibre may have a significant other, very often even this is a chaste relationship. Such was the case with Sri Ramakrishna and his wife Sarada Devi, and one may interpret that it was also the case with St. Francis (who Meher Baba said achieved this state of Nirvikalpa Samadhi) and his beloved Clare.

My main point here is that one must be careful not to throw the baby out with the bathwater. Though it may turn out that Jesus physically survived the crucifixion, and it may also be true that his history was embellished in the manner of myths that had also been applied to other historical figures, this does not mean that he was not an Incarnation of God. It doesn’t necessarily mean that he was simply a prophet, a man, who lived through the crucifixion and then died later as an ordinary man. It also doesn’t mean that there aren’t important truths embedded in the myths that have been preserved as traditional Christian doctrine. It does mean that these myths contain distortion and embellishment, and that it will be a painful and disorienting process for traditional Christians to sort through it and find the truth of it. When the “dust has settled,” I think they will find that Jesus was and is more than traditional Chuch doctrine has portrayed him to be, not less. (Just as the true goal of religion, God-Realization, is much more than living in paradise forever in linear time.) What will emerge, I believe, is not that Jesus was just an ordinary man; nor that he was the only son of an anthropomorphic God. Jesus will finally be let out of both the little conceptual box of materialism, and the little conceptual box of Christian dogma, in which boxes he has been imprisoned for centuries.

For more information on Meher Baba, see my article, “A Tapestry of Meher Baba’s Connections with the West.”

*Another clue is that when Jesus appeared to the disciples, he appears to have had a body with the same wounds. It makes no sense to me that Jesus would have resurrected a body with the wounds. It further makes no sense to me that Thomas would have thrust his hands into the wound in Jesus’s side, literally, as per the Biblical account, simply because no-one who loved Jesus as the disciples did would have caused him excruciating physical pain just to satisfy their own selfish doubts. Therefore the account must be exaggerated (another clear indication of editing in the New Testament). Nonetheless, we are probably safe in assuming that this much is accurate, that Jesus’s body bore the wounds from the crucifixion when he returned. Under those circumstances, it is a much simpler and more logical interpretation that he survived the crucifixion than that his body was supernaturally resurrected.
**My interpretation of the crucifixion, based on studying Meher Baba’s life and teachings, is that Jesus was vicariously taking on the suffering of the world, so as to make the world’s load of karma bearable for us. (Meher Baba said that the Avatar did not take on the karma of the world per se, which I interpret to mean that he took on the suffering that resulted from the karma but not the karma itself.) The external crucifixion of Jesus was thus an outward and visible sign of the real inward crucifixion, of the inner spiritual work that Jesus was doing for humanity and for all of Creation. Thus the real inner crucifixion was much, much more than just the outward event of the physical crucifixion.

“Finally we arrived at Assisi at 5 P.M. to find a rather agitated Herbert waiting for us, because we were three hours late in arriving. After a rather restless and depressing week, he had made most successful arrangements for Baba’s retirement (which he tells in much better words than mine).

“Several kilometers from the town, up in the hills on the slopes of Monte Subasio, lies the famous Hermitage of Carceri built by St. Francis and his fellow monks. Below in the woods are several small caves or retreats where people go for meditation. Herbert discovered one of these half-protected by an outside wall. He had hidden this with branches so that it was difficult to find.

“This was one that was actually used by St. Francis himself. At 6:30 P.M. we had a light meal at the Windsor Hotel and drove in a car most of the way. The last part we walked on foot and, finally, scaled a low wall and plunged into the woods led by Herbert down an intricate winding path.

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“The cave we found was an ideal spot and perfectly suited to Baba’s requirements. Herbert had thought out everything with such care that there was nothing left to be desired. Herbert is always very meticulous and careful in all he undertakes. The light was beginning to go a little as we entered the woods. It was just after sunset. I remember the birds and their song dying away gradually.

We settled Baba in and he told us that no one must look at him and, above all, not to touch him.

“It was arranged that Herbert and Chanji were to keep watch outside the cave during the night, to be relieved by Kaka and myself at 9 o’clock the next morning. Baba said that Kaka and I were to go to mass at 7 A.M. the next morning and then we were to kiss the Tomb of St. Francis. We bade them goodnight and found our intricate way out of the woods.

“After mass we shouldered our rucksacks and toiled up the streets through Assisi to the hills of Monte Subasio. As we got out of town, it began to get warmer and warmer.

“Poor Kaka was laden down, and not in such good training as I, so we had to stop from time to time for him to rest and get his breath and cool off. At last we arrived, a little late —about 9:15, and we were glad to reach the cool shade of the wood where we found Herbert and Chanji waiting for as after a wakeful night.

“Nothing had transpired and there had been no interruptions of the calm and peace which pervaded the woods. We settled down to our vigil outside the cave. Herbert and Chanji returned to Assisi to rest.

“The sun rose higher, but we were well shaded from the heat by the trees. An intense calm was everywhere, but the woods were alive with birds whose song was deafening. As if in memory of St. Francis, they seemed to throng around us. Butterflies were often near; several lit on our hands and bodies.

“Gradually it grew warmer, and even in the deep shade, one felt the heat of midsummer.

“Towards midday I heard sounds from inside the cave. Forgetting Baba’s instructions about not looking at him, I saw him stand up with his eyes shut and face the sun. He made strange noises. Not daring to look again, I lay quiet.

“At one o’clock he clapped his hands. We pulled away the branches from the entrance. Taking the board he spelt out directions, telling Kaka to go to Assisi and ask Herbert and Chanji to be with him at 4:30, but that I was to call him there.

“Baba came out of the cave but told us not to come near him or touch him. He walked about alone in the woods for half-an-hour and then went into the cave again.

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Mary Magdalene Rosamond of Saint Francis

This morning I called the Krishnamurti Center in Ojai, and got a recording saying they were closed due to the fire. http://ojaihistory.com/krishnamurti-and-the-ojai-valley/

Rosamond Press

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Briar_Cliff_University

Briar Cliff University is a private, FranciscanRoman Catholicliberal arts university located in Sioux City, IowaUnited States.

In March 1929, Mother Mary Dominica Wieneke, Major Superior of the Sisters of Saint Francis of Dubuque, along with the Most Rev. Edmond Heelan, Bishop of the Sioux City Diocese, co-founded Briar Cliff College after meeting with members of the Sioux City community, who committed to raising $25,000 to support the establishment of a Catholic women’s college in Sioux City. The twelve foundresses of the College were carefully chosen by Mother Dominica. They were led by Sister Mary Servatius Greenen, who was named the first president.[2]


Little Briar Rose“, a folk tale originally recorded by the Brothers Grimm and used as a basis for Disney’s Sleeping Beauty and Maleficent

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Am I The Second Saint Francis?

I just found this article about Saint Francis being ‘The Second Christ’ and named after John the Baptist, who I was named after. There was an argument about how to spell my name. The nurse put an H in JON. I was born during a star-shower. I declared myself a Nazarite after the Baptist.  I am going to take the name GIOVANNI.

Giovanni ‘The Nazarite’

In 1182, Pietro Bernardone returned from a trip to France to find out his wife had given birth to a son. Far from being excited or apologetic because he’d been gone, Pietro was furious because she’d had his new son baptized Giovanni after John the Baptist. The last thing Pietro wanted in his son was a man of God — he wanted a man of business, a cloth merchant like he was, and he especially wanted a son who would reflect his infatuation with France. So he renamed his son Francesco — which is the equivalent of calling him Frenchman.

Giovanni is a male Italian given name (from Latin Iohannes). It is the Italian equivalent of John. Giovanni is frequently contracted to Gianni, Gian, or Gio, particularly in the name Gianbattista, and can also be found as a surname. It is sometimes spelled as Geovanni, Giovonnie or Giovannie when used as an English female name. Its female counterpart is Giovanna.

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Luke%201:5-80

St Francis was in fact baptised John, after John the Baptist. Apparently his father was away trading in France at the time and when he returned he wanted to celebrate a particularly successful trip by calling his first born son after the country where he had just made his money. Francis was not only aware of the saint after whom he had been christened, but he celebrated his feast day each year. His baptismal name perfectly embodied the man he was about to become. As he was to discover for himself it was his particular calling to become a second John the Baptist calling people to repentance in preparation for the second coming of Christ. Christ did come again at the beginning of the thirteenth century, mystically embodied in the flesh and blood of St Francis, and that’s why the medievals called him The Second Christ.

The Birth of John the Baptist

57 When it was time for Elizabeth to have her baby, she gave birth to a son. 58 Her neighbors and relatives heard that the Lord had shown her great mercy, and they shared her joy.

59 On the eighth day they came to circumcise the child, and they were going to name him after his father Zechariah, 60 but his mother spoke up and said, “No! He is to be called John.”

61 They said to her, “There is no one among your relatives who has that name.”

62 Then they made signs to his father, to find out what he would like to name the child. 63 He asked for a writing tablet, and to everyone’s astonishment he wrote, “His name is John.” 64 Immediately his mouth was opened and his tongue set free, and he began to speak, praising God. 65 All the neighbors were filled with awe, and throughout the hill country of Judea people were talking about all these things. 66 Everyone who heard this wondered about it, asking, “What then is this child going to be?” For the Lord’s hand was with him.

For the feast day of St Francis on the 4 October, I am beginning a series of blogs on the life of St Francis of Assisi.

In 1209 St Francis of Assisi who the medievals called The Second Christ presented his first rule, totally based on the Gospel, to the great Pope Innocent III in Rome. No saint has ever had such an impact on the history of Christian Spirituality.

He was born towards the end of 1181 or at the beginning of 1182. The date might mean little, so let me put it in the context of English History. Henry II was on the throne of England with his equally famous or infamous wife Eleanor of Aquitaine. He is remembered by most of us from our school days for three things. Firstly, he was the first of the Plantagenets. Secondly he was the first to set up law courts or assizes for all. Thirdly he was the first to have a blazing row with the church that culminated in the famous murder, when Thomas Becket the Archbishop of Canterbury, was savagely cut to pieces by three knights in his own cathedral.

I’m sure St Francis knew nothing of all this, but he would most certainly have known about Henry II’s son Richard I, known throughout Christendom as Coeur de LionThe Lion Heart – the greatest warrior king of his day and ‘his day’ was from 1188 when Francis was about seven, to 1199 when he was seventeen going on eighteen. When Francis was growing up we know for certain that, like his contemporaries, his head was full of the legends of the great knightly warriors of the past like King Arthur, Lancelot, and Roland and most especially of the great Crusaders of the present, who were fighting Saladin in the East to win back the Holy Land under the flamboyant leadership of Richard Coeur de Lion.

Most of us who were brought up on films about the fabled Ivanhoe and Robin Hood, both ‘contemporaries’ of St Francis, cast Richard I as Mr ‘Goody’ and his brother John I as Mr ‘Baddy’. Mr ‘Baddy’ died in 1216 in the year after he had signed Magna Carta in 1215. This was the year when St Francis met St Dominic at the Fourth Lateran Counsel in Rome in 1215. In 1221 the Dominican Friars arrived in England followed three years later by the sons of St Francis, who made their first home in Canterbury. You can still see the kitchen of the old friary in Canterbury built over the river, with a trapdoor through which Brother Cook could fish for the friar’s supper. St Francis had spent his whole life trying to do with peace and kindness what Robin Hood had tried to do with violence and the sword. He really does deserve a better film to remember him by than Brother Sun and Sister Moon by Franco Zeffirelli. The fact that such a brilliant man whose other works I can hardly fault, can so misunderstand the patron saint of his homeland is so very disappointing. I hope that what I have to write will help to put the records straight.

Like Zeffirelli all too many biographers of Francis have tried to re-make him in their own image and likeness. Incorrigible romantics are beguiled by his love of nature, the man who walked amongst and talked to the birds, spoke to Brother Lamb and tamed Brother Wolf, and they see little else. For others he is the first great hippy, the drop out, the new age hero, the toast of every alternative spirituality under the sun. For others he is the archetypal humanist, the social worker or, as he was for Lenin, the one who inaugurated the first classless society that his communism dreamt about but never re-produced. Stoics like to revel in his fearsome fasting, the stigmata that lacerated his body and the extreme asceticism that they think made him the man that he became. But it was the real St Francis and the profound spirituality that made him such a unique saint. I want to try to introduce him to you, as he really was and to trace for you the mystical influences that lead him from being just another typical young man of his time, with more money than he knew what to do with, to one of the greatest mystics who has ever lived.

St Francis was in fact baptised John, after John the Baptist. Apparently his father was away trading in France at the time and when he returned he wanted to celebrate a particularly successful trip by calling his first born son after the country where he had just made his money. Francis was not only aware of the saint after whom he had been christened, but he celebrated his feast day each year. His baptismal name perfectly embodied the man he was about to become. As he was to discover for himself it was his particular calling to become a second John the Baptist calling people to repentance in preparation for the second coming of Christ. Christ did come again at the beginning of the thirteenth century, mystically embodied in the flesh and blood of St Francis, and that’s why the medievals called him The Second Christ. However only the first Christ was sanctified from birth, all those who later come to embody him in some way, were forged out of a profound interrelationship of human endeavour and divine grace. It was St Francis, who first said ‘there but for the grace of God go I,’ and he meant it far more than most, because he experienced this truth for himself by the early events that determined and then shaped the rest of his life.

Current fashions have always determined the way the lives of the saints were viewed and then written down. When it was fashionable to show how saints invariably came from blue blood then pious genealogists suddenly discovered that his father Pietro Bernadone had noble origins and his mother Pica came from similar stock. When it was fashionable to emphasise the power of God’s grace then the would-be saint had first to be presented as a wicked sinner. When it was considered disrespectful to suggest that a saint could be anything other than the paragon of virtue that they finally became, then they had to be shown imbibing righteousness with their mother’s milk and even refraining from it during Lent! When Francis came to be called The Second Christ it had to be shown that he was born in a stable by the artists of the day and a spurious stable had to be built that can still be seen in Assisi to this day.

He was in fact born into a family with no pretensions about their past, but with the usual pretensions about the future that always colour the dreams of the nouveau riche and incite them to become what they never were through the success of their children. These dreams seem to have been invested in their first born, who was spoilt with the proceeds of the money that Pietro Bernadone undoubtedly made as a merchant importing the finest fabrics, woven by the legendary weavers in the Low Countries and sold in the leading markets, like those of Provence, where Pietro had been trading when Francis was born. This didn’t make Francis into the ‘enfant terrible’ that some would like to make of him but, as the son of one of the richest men in Assisi, it did make him profligate with the money he helped to make in his father’s drapers shop. In my next blog we will see how this poor little rich man becomes a rich little poor man to the dismay of his parents and his friends alike. No one could blame him for falling in love, but falling in love with poverty, that was quite another matter.

David is the author of Wisdom from Franciscan Italy – The Primacy of Love which shows how the essence of Christian spirituality is restored by Francis.

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Demonic Evangelical Destroyers

“They don’t use the word ‘Christmas’ because it’s not politically correct,” Trump said to heavy applause. “Well, guess what? We’re saying ‘Merry Christmas’ again.”

The Free Internet is under attack by the TeaVangelicals that born the Tea Party Movement. Most evangelical haves liberal siblings who vote the secular Democratic ticket. No doubt they have questioned the strange beliefs of their kindred, such as the Rapture and End Time. Not be to make a sound theological argument, the TVs have drawn a line in the sand, and encourage Believers to become Republicans so they can destroy our secular way of governing. They want to close down all government offices, so if a Democrat wins, there is no chair and desk for that elected official to sit in their Demonic Defunding and Deregulating. They are taught by Evangelical Leaders that the church will be the new meeting place, a Society of Jesus, if you will.

Trump is the President of the TeaVangelicals, and no one else. He pours gasoline on their destructive propaganda that is dividing our nation in half. They claim the Democrats are going out of their way to destroy American Tradition, such as Christmas. This is why Trump made a speech supporting Moore with a big “Merry Christmas” sign.

I became a Republican in order to uphold the traditional values of my kindred, John Fremont, who was a co-founder of America’s Abolitionist Party, and, was a candidate for President. I need help in taking away a tradition that is opposed to their racism and their worship of Confederate ghosts. The attack on the Free Press by the evangelical loon, Sarah Sanders, brings us close to the events that gave rise to Adolph Hitler, who mocked free election – everywhere!

Israeli Leaders and Rabbis must condemn the evil propaganda of the TeaVangelicals. This fake Liberal War on Christmas is on par with the propaganda that was aimed at the Jews of Germany who were depicted as anti-Christian and anti- Christmas. That this war comes with a tax cut that takes away billions from programs from the hungry and poor, is the same sign alleged ‘Good Germans’ – IGNORED!

Jon Presco

“Towards the end of a speech at the Heritage Foundation purportedly about pitching his tax reform plan, President Donald Trump went on a riff about the “War on Christmas” and the use of the term “Merry Christmas.”

Telling the crowd that he wanted to give them the “best Christmas present of all” in massive tax relief, Trump took the opportunity to go on about how stores don’t post signs saying “Merry Christmas” and people don’t use the phrase anymore.

“I will give you a bigger Christmas present,” Trump stated. “You’re gonna be saying Merry Christmas again. You’re gonna say Merry Christmas.”

He went on to claim that stores decorated for Christmas but didn’t say “Merry Christmas,” leading him to tell the audience it will occur this season.

“I want them to say, Merry Christmas,” he exclaimed. “Everybody. Happy New Year. Happy Holidays. But I want Merry Christmas. It’s happening already. You know it. You know it’s happening again.”

Earlier this month during another speech, the president claimed victory in the War on Christmas, stating that everyone will be “saying Merry Christmas again.”

 

https://www.politico.com/story/2017/10/13/why-evangelicals-love-trump-243769

Federal regulators are expected to vote Thursday morning to allow Internet providers to speed up service for some apps and websites — and block or slow down others — in a decision repealing landmark, Obama-era regulations for broadband companies such as AT&T and Verizon.

The move to deregulate the telecom and cable industry would be a major setback for tech companies, consumer groups and Democrats who lobbied heavily against the decision. And it would be a sweeping victory for Republicans who vowed to roll back the efforts of the prior administration, despite a recent survey showing that 83 percent of Americans…

At the end of The Evangelicals, her nearly 700-page history of white evangelical Americans from colonial times to the present, Frances FitzGerald settles on the last of these assessments. “The simplest explanation was that those evangelicals who voted for Trump had affinities with the Tea Party,” she writes. They seemed to care more about shrinking the government, creating jobs, and deporting illegal immigrants than about enforcing Christian morals. “The Trump victory had shown,” she goes on, “that the Christian right had lost its power.” Yet FitzGerald’s careful account offers grist for a much richer exploration of evangelicals’ affinity with Trump.

https://www.npr.org/2017/10/29/560097406/after-choosing-donald-trump-is-the-evangelical-church-in-crisis

After bowing his head during a blessing before dinner with evangelical leaders in the Blue Room last month, President Donald Trump cracked a joke.

“I’m the only person on Fifth Avenue that would have a prayer like that,” the president said, according to two attendees, seeming to separate himself from much of Manhattan’s swanky Upper East Side.

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One evangelical leader present offered that Cardinal Timothy Dolan, whose palatial cathedral and residence is blocks from Trump Tower, may also suggest a blessing before dining. Trump agreed before commenting on the cardinal’s lavish digs.

He then pointed to several of the religious leaders before saying an iteration of: “The Christians, they know what I’m doing for them, right?” He grinned and nodded as he was praised.

The episode provides a window into Trump’s symbiotic relationship with evangelical voters, according to more than a dozen White House officials, advisers and religious leaders.

Several senior White House officials say they’ve never heard Trump reference the Bible privately or pray in the Oval Office — even though he has, at times, asked Vice President Mike Pence to pray. He swears frequently, even startling some aides with his coarse language. He was famously caught on tape saying he could grab women by their genitals because he is famous. In New York, he was well-known for cheating on his wives and encouraging coverage of his sex life in the tabloids.

“They believe they have a commander in chief that is effectively using the bully pulpit to advance a Judeo-Christian framework that has been minimized, scrutinized and ostracized for the last few decades,” said David Brody, who has enjoyed tremendous access to White House officials as a correspondent for the Christian Broadcasting Network. He says his viewers overwhelmingly support Trump and see him as unfairly under attack, a view shared by a dozen religious leaders interviewed for this story.

Trump alluded to that exact notion during Friday’s speech, promising that he is “stopping cold the attacks on Judeo-Christian values” and declaring the war on Christmas is over.

“They don’t use the word ‘Christmas’ because it’s not politically correct,” Trump said to heavy applause. “Well, guess what? We’re saying ‘Merry Christmas’ again.”

“Times have changed, but now they’re changing back again,” he added.

Those who have known Trump longest guffaw at his approach to evangelicals and say they believe he is only pandering. Even some of the religious leaders who wanted to praise Trump publicly asked to go off the record and say they don’t believe the self-described Presbyterian is religious.
Barbara Res, a longtime Trump executive, said she was “amazed” at his executive action on contraception, in which he allowed virtually any employer to claim a religious or moral objection to Obamacare’s birth control coverage mandate.
“He doesn’t care about that, ” Res said. “He has no idea what he signed. They just gave him that to sign.”
Timothy O’Brien, a longtime Trump biographer, said the president’s family wasn’t religiously observant and that Trump had attended church only occasionally over the years. “He has never, ever been consumed with classic Christian values like ‘love your neighbor’ and ‘treat others as you want to be treated,’” O’Brien said. “He has never tried to live by the values of the Bible. He is completely cynical about it.”
But Trump and his team have paid special care to their relationship with the evangelical community. The White House has called Christian leaders for input on a range of issues, including economic and foreign policy matters not closely associated with the religious community, said Johnnie Moore, a religious leader close to Trump. “They talk to us constantly,” Moore said.
Pence is beloved by many evangelicals, and Reed said many of his friends have visited the White House more often since January than in decades. On several occasions, Trump has brought pastors into the Oval Office for photos, including some showing them gathered around his chair with their hands on his shoulders. Trump has loved the idea of the pictures becoming public, one adviser said.
One adviser said Trump keeps a family Bible in the residence and has told people he has opened it from time to time.
Brody, the TV reporter, has interviewed Trump officials repeatedly on the West Wing lawn — and he scored almost a dozen campaign trail interviews with Trump, as well as the president’s third interview in office. Another one of Trump’s interviews was with Pat Robertson, the televangelist who leads the network.
Brody is now writing a book about the president’s religious “journey,” he said, which he admitted has drawn “chuckles” from liberals and skeptics. Trump is expected to participate in the book.
White House officials have told Brody that they see the network as important and that it provides fairer treatment, with questions that often focus on issues that are less contentious than the Russia probe, his administration’s legislative failures and chaos in the White House.

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America’s Demon Jesus

This pedophile is on a mission for the Demon Jesus, the Hater of Democrats. So called Christians are tying to hurt millions of Americans employing our political system.

Jon

According to exit polling conducted by Edison Research, 80 percent of white voters who self-identified as born-again or evangelical Christians voted for the former judge. About 18 percent voted for Jones, while another 2 percent chose to write in a candidate.

A day after losing the Alabama senate race to Democrat Doug Jones, Roy Moore has issued a stark new statement refusing to concede the election.

In a message issued by the campaign Wednesday evening, Moore said his campaign is still waiting for the official vote count from Alabama officials.

“In this race, we have not received the final count to include military and provisional ballots,” the candidate said. “This has been a very close race and we are awaiting certification by the Secretary of State.

Moore’s statement put the stakes of the election in dire terms, hitting on many of the fire-and-brimstone themes that attracted conservative and evangelical voters to his camp.

“We are indeed in a struggle to preserve our republic , our civilization , and our religion and to set free a suffering humanity,” Moore proclaimed. “Today we no longer recognize the universal truth that God is the author of our life and liberty. Abortion, sodomy, and materialism have taken the place of life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.”

“We have killed over 60 million of our unborn children. We have redefined marriage and destroyed the basis of family, which is the building block of our Country.  Our borders are not secure.  Our economy is faltering under an enormous national debt. We have a huge drug problem. We have even begun to recognize the right of a man to claim to be a woman, and vice versa. We have allowed Judges and justices to rule over our Constitution , and we have become slaves to their tyranny. Immorality sweeps over our land.”

On Tuesday, Alabama voters elected Jones with 50 percent of the vote to Moore’s 48 percent in a special election to fill the Senate seat vacated by Attorney General Jeff Sessions.

The margin between the final votes was larger than the required .5 percent for a recount in Alabama. Moore was widely expected to win the race — a Democrat hasn’t held an Alabama senate seat in 25 years — until allegations of sexual misconduct emerged in reports from The Washington Post.

“We have stopped prayer in our schools,” Moore said in his statement.

“We have killed over 60 million of our unborn children. We have redefined marriage and destroyed the basis of family, which is the building block of our Country.  Our borders are not secure.  Our economy is faltering under an enormous national debt. We have a huge drug problem. We have even begun to recognize the right of a man to claim to be a woman, and vice versa. We have allowed Judges and justices to rule over our Constitution , and we have become slaves to their tyranny. Immorality sweeps over our land.”

Doug Jones’ victory in Alabama’s special Senate election Tuesday night upset the status quo in his state in many ways ― it put a Democrat from Alabama in the U.S. Senate for the first time in 25 years, and it showed off the political clout of Alabama’s black voters.

But amid the tumult of the special election, one thing did not change. White evangelical Christians, longtime supporters of Jones’ Republican opponent Roy Moore, decided en masse to stand by their man.

According to exit polling conducted by Edison Research, 80 percent of white voters who self-identified as born-again or evangelical Christians voted for the former judge. About 18 percent voted for Jones, while another 2 percent chose to write in a candidate.

About 76 percent of everyone else ― those who didn’t identify as white evangelical Christian ― voted for Jones.

A small number of evangelicals appeared to sit out the election. Evangelicals claimed 44 percent of the total vote in Alabama, The Washington Post reports, even though they made up 47 percent of voters in the 2012 and 2008 presidential elections.

Overall, white evangelical support for Moore in Alabama stayed strong ― despite sexual assault allegations that threatened to damage his reputation in national evangelical circles. The exit poll results echoed the overwhelming loyalty that white evangelical Christians across the nation showed the Republican Party during the 2016 election, when about 81 percent voted for President Donald Trump.

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Rise and Fall of ‘The Glowflakes’

Their sneaky plan was to destroy the Democratic Party and install a Republican Theocracy that divides us in twain. This is why they voted for sexual predators. Once Biblical Rule was installed, and our Democracy wiped out, then, the Spirit of King Jesus will appoint his Righteous Rulers, His………..

HOLY GLOWFLAKES

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/acts-of-faith/wp/2017/12/13/a-spiritual-battle-how-roy-moores-failed-campaign-tested-evangelicals/

Look at these Holy Crybabies For Jesus who want the rich to have more of a tax cut! How generous. That dude in black looks like Jesus and is balling his eyes out because he will not be appointed Holy Grand Governor, where every day is Bible Study Day! Waaaaah!

How can atheist traitors, Steve Bannon and Trump, sign-off on getting rid of the abolition of slavery, and giving women the right to vote? Is this what Jesus wanted, and thus he did not instruct our founding fathers to give this liberty to all Americans? If so, why do we want Jesus to influence any aspect of this Democracy?

Here is what the Radical Republicans wanted to do Confederate Traitors after they lost the Civil War. These plans are now – BORN AGAIN!

GET OUT! Form your own party ‘The Glowflake Party’! Run you fake Jesus Crap in you own brand of Racist Tribalism! Look at those bad dudes for Jesus with their collars up. Are theses brother bodyguards for God! Tax the Glowfkake churches

Get out! I am looking for a good law firm to bring lawsuit against the Glowflakes for Conspiracy to deprive men and women of their Civil Rights, and Right to vote!

Jon Presco

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radical_Republican

The Radical Republicans opposed Lincoln’s terms for reuniting the United States during Reconstruction, which began in 1863, which they viewed as too lenient. They proposed an “ironclad oath” that would prevent anyone who supported the Confederacy from voting in Southern elections; Lincoln blocked it. Radicals passed the Wade-Davis Bill in 1864; Lincoln vetoed it. The Radicals demanded a more aggressive prosecution of the war, a faster end to slavery and total destruction of the Confederacy. After the war the Radicals controlled the Joint Committee on Reconstruction.

 

Alabama GOP Senate candidate Roy Moore once suggested getting rid of every amendment after the Tenth — saying “that would eliminate many problems.”

The proposal came in June 2011 during an interview on the “Aroostook Watchmen” radio show, which is hosted by a two conspiracy theorists from Maine.

CNN’s KFile obtained audio from the appearance and posted it online Sunday.

“You know people don’t understand how some of these amendments have completely tried to wreck the form of government that our forefathers intended,” Moore says in one clip.

Roy Moore’s failed run for Alabama’s Senate seat tested white evangelicals’ allegiance to the Republican Party. Would they vote for a candidate who shares their conservative views on social issues even though he was accused of sexual misconduct by multiple women?

Exit polls suggest they did just that, with 80 percent of white evangelicals who voted selecting Moore in Tuesday’s special election, which was narrowly won by Doug Jones, the Democratic candidate.

Part of Moore’s campaign strategy was to appeal to Christian nationalism — the belief that God has a uniquely Christian purpose for the United States. It has long…

NEW YORK (AP) – CNN’s Jim Acosta says he was warned by the White House press secretary Sarah Sanders not to ask a question during President Donald Trump’s bill signing ceremony on Tuesday, further evidence of sour relations between the network and administration.

Acosta said Sanders told him that if he asked Trump a question, “she could not promise that I would be allowed into a pool spray again.”

Sanders did not immediately return a request for comment on Tuesday.

He was one of a handful of reporters allowed into the event, which has limited space, as part of a “pool” where they act as surrogates for the entire press corps. He asked a question anyway, about a Trump tweet in which the president claimed New York Sen. Kirsten Gillibrand begged him for campaign contributions and would “do anything” for them. Acosta’s question went unanswered.

“We don’t respond to threats,” he said on CNN later. “We’re not going to be intimidated.”

Trump has repeatedly derided CNN as “fake news,” his ire driven over the past few days over an error that CNN made during a story last week about the investigation into collusion with Russia during the presidential campaign. Acosta and Sanders had a contentious exchange during Monday’s White House press briefing.

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God, Trump, Bannon – DEFEATED!

Roy Moore’s angry quotation of the Bible tonight, suggested God was not going to allow him to lose. Meanwhile, Bannon rode away – pissed – without saying a word! Trump did send out a twitter congratulating Doug Jones. Roy claims a “unfaithful light” defeated him. Is he talking about Lucifer? ‘We’ve been put in a hole!” says Moore!

We do know that tens of thousands of evangelicals prayed for a Moore Victory, on top of casting a Earth Vote. The question is, why didn’t these prayers WORK, and, is God pissed the wrong people invoked His Name? However, what if God saw Roy and his supporter as His Champions?

What we are just seeing the tip of is APOLOGETICS. Evangelical Leaders will be burning the midnight oil, looking for a way to cast blame on anyone – BUT GOD! God can not be A LOSER! God is – A WINNER! When His Chosen Children were taken into captivity in Babylon, the Scribes, Leaders, and Prophets were desperate for an explanation. Moore stops short of blaming Satan for the hole he was cast down in. But, has he considered an evil spell was cast upon him by…………..THE WITCHDOCTOR OF LIBERTY?

Evangelical leaders have been secretly encouraging their flocks to register as Republicans so they can announce………….Everything that is not Republican – Is Evil! This is Theodicy for Morons, led by the Chief Moron.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theodicy

Politics is no place for Piety, and Cry Babies For Jesus! This is SPIRITUAL VANITY! Roy should have withdrew from the race for the sake of God, the Republican Party, and Decency. But, his evangelical backers would…………LOOK BAD! They already told their families Jesus told them Moore would win, because, God heard their prayers – NOT!

We heard of ‘Snow Flakes’. Now we got ‘Glow Flakes’.

Doc

https://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/roy-moore-and-the-invisible-religious-right

http://www.hwalibrary.com/cgi-bin/get/hwa.cgiaction=getspectopics&InfoID=1473424072

‘Realize when the vote is this close, then it’s not over,’ said Moore, who exasperated national party establishment leaders with his run. ‘And we’ve still got to go by the rules about this recount provision.’ 

‘We also know that God is always in control,’ Moore told his supporters, who were left stunned at their party in Montgomery as the race got called for Jones.

Moore complained in his speech: ‘Part of the problem with this campaign is we’ve been painted in an unfavorable and unfaithful light.’

‘We’ve been put in a hole, if you will,’ he said, referencing the Bible’s Psalm 40 and speaking rapidly.

‘I waited patiently for the Lord. That’s what we’ve got to do,’ Moore told his supporters, who include many evangelical voters. ‘And he inclined to me and heard my cry and brought us also out of a horrible pit out of the miry clay and set my feet on the rock and established my goings and put a new song in our mouth. He then prays unto our God. Many shall see it hear it, and shall be moved by that if you will.’

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Still, for Jews believing in an all-powerful God, the “attempt to vindicate God’s goodness in the face of the existence of so much evil in the world” [4], the logical problem already addressed by Euripides millennia ago and commonly referred to as theodicy, applies to Judaism in a similar way as to Christianity, like many other problems deriving from specific verses of the Bible [5], and I need not delve into details already covered in arguments challenging the truth of Christianity.

Especially since the Holocaust, many Jewish theologians acknowledge that

 

“in all likelihood, there probably is no satisfactory answer.
One of the dangers of theodicy, in fact, is that in its attempts to justify God’s ways to man, it frequently blames man for his sufferings. For example, one sometimes hears ultra-Orthodox Jews speak of the Holocaust as God’s punishment for Jewish irreligiosity.” [6]

Apart from the fact that such a position has been the traditional Jewish answer long before the Holocaust, indeed even long before the pogroms of the medieval crusades [7], like other Bible oriented faithful our Jewish theologians refuse to address the obvious answer: that an almighty and loving God as described in the Bible simply cannot exist.

This is hardly surprising – after all, most theologians have to make a living of the beliefs of their religions’ followers.

For the mentioned reasons this article will instead deal with the moral aspects of the Jewish religion. This is an all the more obvious approach, since in Judaism the “central stress has always been on performing [God’s] commandments, unlike in Christianity where far greater emphasis is placed on faith.”

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