The Kings of Bohemia

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Above is a large painting at the University of Oregon Museum titled ‘The Last Audience of the Habsburgs’. It was smuggled out of Austria. Hitler put a bounty on the head of Empress Zita who…

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Katherine Wilson CENSORED Me

There is good evidence the hippies invented the internet. Therefor, hippie orientated groups should be TWICE as open to viewpoints, and never engage in IDLE CENSORSHIP, or, engage in hidden agendas aimed at creating a Inner Vortex. Real hippies can take the heat! Have you ever been tear-gassed, or clubbed to the ground? How about not being picked as an extra? Darn! What a bitch!

On Wednesday, a federal judge ruled that President Donald Trump’s practice of blocking his critics on Twitter violates the First Amendment. The practice is unconstitutional, Judge Naomi Reice Buchwald wrote in her 75-page decision, because the @realdonaldtrump Twitter account is a public forum operated by the government, meaning viewpoint discrimination is strictly prohibited.

While the case has drawn attention for its ties to the Tweeter-in-chief, legal scholars say it has far-reaching implications, protecting all Americans’ rights to communicate with elected leaders and government entities online.

https://rosamondpress.com/2015/09/13/job-5-in-kesey-mural/

My big complaint is this……..I will die without seeing a GOOD hippie movie! The only movie that comes close to be good, is ‘Sudden Impact’ but, it is a anti-hippie flick. My old hippie friend, Paul Drake plays Mick, the bad guy. Paul took up acting at the suggestion of my ex-wife who was married to Thomas Pynchon, and David Seidler, who won an academy award for ‘The Kings Speech’.

Above is a pic of me standing in front of my studio in the Whit. Across the street lived the Pasternaks – of Hollywood! We were saving the Whitaker in 1988. Above this image is a pic of me taken by my good friend, Peter Shapiro, of the Loading Zone. We original hippies did not agree to start a alternative movie industry back in 1965.

My ex did a portrait of David Seidler. I was the rotten apple of the bunch. My claim to fame, was, I could drink any Oaklander under the table. I was a AAA Drinker. In theory, I could drink any fake drunk in ‘Animal House’ under the table – and then go after the cast and crew! Paul said he based Mick on me. I intimidated people in Oakland bars. I had guns pulled on me.

Here’s my scathing review of Pynchon’s ‘Inherit Vice’. The producer would have done well to have me – on the set – in every fucking way! There’s no turning back, now. I will make the beast damn hippie movie ever made – and it will authentic. No tribal pawing and seeking non-excitant approval! I will make the wildest and most sober hippie movie – ever! Get the hell out of my way!

Above me is Erin Sullivan, who is a archetype. I would love to see a movie about her. She is a real hippie goddess that I admire, so! I am not fit to unlace her sandals. What is written on her t-shirt?

I believe Katherine Wilson is trying to force my hippie history to go through her Hollywood Channels, if you want to be somebody, and be remembered in the Vortex I am reminded of the movie Zardoz. To censor me is the worst case of feathering ones coo-coo nest I have ever experienced. I got my own movie ideas. What is she saying behind my back? In your face!

https://rosamondpress.com/2018/03/26/return-of-the-sweet-ride/

If you really want to know who the authentic trailblazers, are, look at the very bottom. because that’s where we are moved to, as the pretenders climb on our backs – to the top! Bluto and McMurphy – are not founders. Kathy’s Clowns did not invent being naughty and coo-coo. My mother was a porno star for the Mafia. My grandfather was a famous gambler in the Barbary Cost. My great grandfather lived on Height Street. When Big Bones and my mother got arrested, they moved her to LA, where they ran orgies at the Beverly Hills Hotel. When I moved Ken, Philip, and Tom into the Oaks Motel, I knew what I was doing. You got to pick up the key to your room at the  Key Hotel. Jack Ruby stayed here. The Hollywood Clowns sensed I was making a door – to shut them out! they got a sixth sense about this.

https://rosamondpress.com/2017/07/10/rosemary-made-porno-movies-for-mob/

https://rosamondpress.com/2018/05/23/philip-roth-now-at-the-oaks-motel/

https://rosamondpress.com/2015/01/14/marijuana-road-lil-hippie/

https://rosamondpress.com/2015/02/12/inherent-vice-a-lsd-flashback/

https://rosamondpress.com/2014/07/29/why-did-you-take-my-wife/

Katherine Wilson removed all my posts on her facebook, and did not allow me to post for the following reason;

“Why are you posting your unrelated articles on my friends posts? They didn’t like it!

Katherine had something to do with the making of two movies ‘Animal House’ and ‘One Flew Over the Coo-Coo Nest’. What are these two movies about? Coo-Coo Rebels who make SQUARES upset because they can’t follow directions.  Some square got upset with some of my posts and went slinking up to Nurse Ratched in order to get things back to normal.

“That crazy man upsets me. Can you do some group-shaming on him?”

What little sneaks and snitches. I asked Katherine for their names so I can invite them to discuss their priggish sissy-fit on this blog – in the open! Let them say why they found my posts not “related”. I will give their “articles” even more exposure!  They can submit an essay! But, this is not what this is about. This is another fake hippie clique, doing a closed circle-jerk. There’s only so many roles. It’s – an audition! Join the Air Guard, moron!

https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2018/05/24/614013988/air-force-uncovered-lsd-use-among-airmen-guarding-nuclear-missiles

Katherine’s friends are ‘Movie People’ even ‘Hollywood People’. Katherine did a perfect Hollywood Nurse Rachet on me. I was smuging up her glass, he mirror as she primps before her ‘”friends”. This is Oregon. We don’t like Hollywood People coming up here and putting on airs, thinking they are better than us. You know the drill. So, Murphy takes the social rejects out on a fishing boat. And, what about that logging family that sticks together and overcomes many ordeals, such as, someone not being topical. Are we looking at Hollywood Tribalism here in Oregon? What we got here is a tribe of Hollywood Morons!

“Look Ma – I’m a zit!”

The embarrassing truth is, I turned off Kathy’s documentary about the making of Animal House. It was painful to watch. Everyone was extremely nervous. Must have been all dem Hollywood folks – looking down on them! I hung in there for forty minutes. I tried pacing, and doing some dishes. It was an Un-cool experience!

“Fuck this! I don’t need this!”

CLICK!

I knew one of the Kesites would get upset with my moving Ken to Oakland, and saying;

“I win!”

I think it was Zane’s wife, who demanded my head on a silver platter. What a zit! This is why swing voters went for Trump! The Friends never get enough exposure. They have been sucking on the same bicentennial sucker, and fighting over Homer’s week old sandwich stuck down in the sofa. My offending blog pointed out that the bookcase in the Kesey mural belongs to Ken Babbs. This is a State Secret that these wild and Crazy Pranksters want to take to the grave, where they will know peace and quiet! The circle of friends keeps getting smaller. Are we looking at…………Oregon Royalty?

The movie that Oregon should make is about a old senior dude, who takes on Alley Valkyrie and her Wiccan Nation, after refusing to be bullied and CENSORED – after threats were made by this She-Shit to destroy my reputation. I suspect one of the Alley Gang finked me out to Wilson. Hollywood is overflowing with real sexual abusers who employ the Closed Knit Casting Couch on outsiders trying to get into the business. Zane and his wife were too scared of SLEEPS and OCCUPY to save Ken Kesey Square. So, I did it all alone! What a bunch of freaky cowards! My movie will – expose you all!

Stephanie Kesey threatened to ban me from her facebook because I was too “mundane”. She said I was not on topic in my search for the lost muralist that my friend Nancy told me about. I found her. She is a founder of the Hog Farm, and good friend of Wavy Gravy.

https://rosamondpress.com/2015/09/01/recovering-the-lost-magical-mural/

I was dropping hints about Oakland because the biggest blockbuster takes place there. The director of ‘Fruitvale Station’ made ‘Black Panther’. Kathy&Friends are making…..

‘Old Dingleberrytown’

I know Katherine’s friends. I was close with Kenny Reed and his wife, and read my poems with Izzy, who was in Animal House. Here I am talking to the first girl I ever kiss, whose name is on some Yogurt. We grew up in Oakland and lived together in a famous SF Commune. We had so much fun. We did wild and crazy things. When our garage bands got into making money, we made them play in Golden Gate Park – for free!

STOP fucking with me! STOP fucking with my newspaper! I’m wearing the t-shirt Kenny gave me for Christmas. His wife’s gospel choir tried to censor me.

“Why do you hate me cuz?’

Trump has declared holy war on the Free Press, and five days ago suggested his evangelical base made up of “real Americans” do something. Newspaper people are getting death threats, while it fucking Reunion Time……………….again!

Screw you………..Katherine Wilson! And the crowd you run with! Here is my first girlfriend. Her sister knew the Black Radicals in France, and the Black Panthers. Marilyn is married to Kenny Reed. Do you know Rick Cobian? He did a Hollywood number on me, and when I blogged on his Rat Race, my last blog crashed. I suspect his tribe was behind that one. I have talked to THE FBI. I am ready for the next Hollywood Invasion! I came up with an idea for a Obama celebration, and got no credit. I did a lot of work on this film, that Cobian fucked all the hell. He milked me for ideas. He told me he was going to be bigger than Disney. He worked on a Hollywood set, and kept saying this;

“Keep you friends close, and your enemies even closer!”

Cobian was exploiting a poltical victory. He was raising his family up from the ghetto – not! I’m the one that’s got the movie here – the real Hippie Story! I’m going t title it ‘The Season of the Witch’………………….”Beatniks out to make it rich!”. My sister’s painting is on the wall. There are two movie scripts out about her, one written by our kin, Carrie Fisher. Elizabeth Rosemond Taylor is my kin. I have thirty years sobriety and he puts my idea in a bar. This is a real Rat Fink!

https://rosamondpress.com/2018/04/09/my-la-la-love-dance-6-2/

The most wild and crazy thing anyone did in Eugene, was my drive-by of the Mimm’s House where Eric Richardson of the NAACP had his office. I was pissed because he, Kenny, Marilyn, and Greg Black formed a production company and aced me out. I did all the videos of the Inspirational Gospel Choir, until the did the Hult. They hit the BIG TIME, and, were out to make some money. I was a volunteer – and out of there!

I label this my movie. I WARN against Black vs. White Dulaity, which is going to bring the Liberal-left – DOWN! Sure, enough – I was right! Trump got elected tow years later. They call Trump ‘The Messiah’ while Katherine is having her high Hollywood tea. The video below is pure prophecy!

What would John Belushi have said if I did a shout-out of Animal House?

“Get a job, Hippie!”

Yep! I’m that crazy-ass radical hippie dude, the Real McCoy. The U.S. Government and Justice Department spent a trillion dollars trying to shut me up! I did my job! Now, they bring in THE MESSIAH to shut me up. I’m the only man alive that can out talk that fake.

I want to wrestle Trump while wearing a Devil outfit. I was going to ask Katherine to film our matches. A real Hollywood producer is out to MAKE MONEY! I’m go to sell Kathy’s Clown Crowd to the highest bidder. Movie goers want to see the She Demons that took over Ken Kesey Square chasing this old newspaper man through the downtown, instead of Tribalism giving each other reassuring strokes.

“Don’t worry yourself silly, old timer, you’re in like Flint!”

https://rosamondpress.com/2016/06/20/threat-from-alley-valkyrie/ 

https://rosamondpress.com/2016/09/20/the-sabotage-of-threatening-women/

“I’m going to make this very simple for you. I don’t know if you know who I am, but I sure as hell know who you are, and when you fuck with my friends, you fuck with me. Stop writing about Belle or I am going to make your life very difficult. I mean it. If I see one more word about her on your blog, your FB, or anywhere else, I will make sure that you experience all the fear and discomfort that she is experiencing right now. And no, this isn’t a physical threat, so don’t try to play victim. Frankly, I encourage you to contact EPD, as they already know all about you. I will not do anything illegal, but mark my word you will regret it if you write one more word about her. I will make sure that the entire community knows exactly how much of a sick fuck you are. Your picture, your name, and “samples” of your writing will be posted on every bulletin board in town. There will not be a single person in the Eugene/Springfield area who won’t know that you’re a sick stalker who won’t leave a stalker who won’t leave a young girl alone. Cut it out. Now. This is your first, last, and only warning.”

I think this is one blog of the blogs The Children of the Corn didn’t like. Ben’s wife got to read both of these blogs to my friend before he died two weeks ago.  I mentioned to Katherine about making a movie about Radio London. She is not very good. My little devil flick is full of tension and drama. Anybody can work with the Devil – if they know how!

For five years Ben Toney and I took on the evangelical-right on facebook. We warned everyone they were on the rise, and on the attack. Ben died a co-prophet! I thought I was united with his replacement. I got that one wrong.

https://rosamondpress.com/2018/05/05/my-friend-ben-toney/

https://rosamondpress.com/2018/05/05/ben-toney-and-the-kings-of-jeruslem/

https://rosamondpress.com/2011/11/01/the-black-doll/

https://rosamondpress.com/2016/08/23/the-black-doll-revisited/

https://rosamondpress.com/2018/02/12/the-black-doll-of-la-la-land-2/

Documentary crew returns to recount ‘Animal House’ filming

Posted: Wednesday, Feb 13th, 2013 By Jon Stinnett The Cottage Grove Sentinel

photo by Jon Stinnett James “Izzy” Whetstine, left, and drummer Kenny Reed take a break from filming a documentary on the making of ‘Animal House’ Friday. Whetstine played a janitor responsible for dealing with a dead horse in the movie.

Many longtime Cottage Grove residents can recall a raucous parade that occurred downtown on Main Street in 1978. Today, scenes from that day live on as the zany finale to the highest-grossing comedy film of all time, Warner Bros.’ Animal House, and last week, a documentary film crew returned to the scene of the action to recount the part Cottage Grove played in film history. The documentary, “Animal House of Blues,” started as a project for a group of students at the University of Oregon, according to its creator, Katherine Wilson. “The class covered films of interest from the 1970s,” she said. “But after the class ended, my students told me that they needed to be interns and get some experience, that they wanted to make a movie.” Wilson said her students wanted to help her complete “Animal House of Blues,” a project she’d sought to finish herself for over a decade. “I’d been trying for 10 years, and it was going to cost me $100,000,” she said. “But we got to work, and the kids had everything I didn’t. We shot a short film in five weeks, and the students graduated with honors. Then they started telling me that they wanted to make the whole thing (the entire film.)” Wilson knew she couldn’t afford the licensing f

Jon Presco

https://rosamondpress.com/2015/10/28/zane-kesey-on-saving-kesey-square/

https://rosamondpress.com/2017/04/21/stephanie-kesey-art-dictator/

https://rosamondpress.com/2016/02/26/i-claim-ken-kesey-square/

https://rosamondpress.com/2016/01/29/recapturing-ken-kesey-square/

https://rosamondpress.com/2015/01/13/the-battle-for-ken-kesey-square/

https://rosamondpress.com/2017/12/03/alley-valkyrie-president-of-nightingale/

https://rosamondpress.com/2016/06/20/threat-from-alley-valkyrie/

http://www.eugenefilmfest.org/news/animal-house-of-blues/

Stephanie Kesey – Art Dictator

Stephanie Kesey married Zane Kesey, the son of Ken Kesey. I didn’t know Steph was a artist until after she “blocked” (unfriended me on facebook) after I failed to heed HER ORDER, that came too late, because, I already made me some fine connections, one of them to my friend, Stefan Eins, whose work has hung in MOMA. Stefan made graffiti art a true art form. The Creamery mural was seen as graffiti that the locals wanted – gone! There was a marijuana plant growing in a milk can at the end of the rainbow. The artist was a member of the Hog Farm, and is a supporter of Winnarainbow, as is the Bill Graham foundation.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fashion_Moda

STOP trying to connect such mundane coincidences.”

“trying is not the right word, unless Steph suggests her job is to thwart any and all connections folks try to make to her late step-father, because, she is a co-owner of key-z productions where many mundane objects and connections are made – THEN ASSIGNED A PRICE TAG! Before we go any FURTHER, I am copyrighting the image of Ken’s jumpsuit he wore while talking to a Hell’s Angel. (see above)

http://www.key-z.com/

“I have asked you repeatedly to stop with your posts. If you insist on continuiing I will block you.”

“No you did not. You ONCE asked me to stop making connections. I am an artist. This is what we do. My family constitutes a artistic dynasty. If you block me, I will blog on your censorship. STOP taking yourself so seriously, which your father-in-law, and the pranksters, considered a sin.”

Here’s a connection that I make – outside the ward – and thus it is not subject to censorhip! Stephanie – and nurse Ratched!

https://rosamondpress.com/2018/05/23/philip-roth-now-at-the-oaks-motel/

 

Why are you posting your unrelated articles on my friend’s posts? They didn’t like it!”

 

The Turners

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The Turner Bohemians joined the Union Army, and beat the South. https://rosamondpress.com/2014/11/26/the-turns/

 

 

Video showcases Oregon’s role in the iconic 1978 comedy


COURTESY: KATHERINE WILSON - The members of the Delta Tau Chi fraternity in the movie 'Animal House,' which itself is the subject of a new documentary, 'Animal House of Blues 33 1/3,' by Katherine Wilson. The film's relationship to Oregon is explored in the new documentary. That's the late John Belushi in the middle, fourth from left.

COURTESY: KATHERINE WILSON – The members of the Delta Tau Chi fraternity in the movie ‘Animal House,’ which itself is the subject of a new documentary, ‘Animal House of Blues 33 1/3,’ by Katherine Wilson. The film’s relationship to Oregon is explored in the new documentary. That’s the late John Belushi in the middle, fourth from left.

They were both “depressives,” and shy enough that they gravitated toward one another.“We could be quiet together, and not have to be ‘on,’” says Eugene resident Katherine Wilson. “We both loved music, and he would go hang in the record store I was part of, in the listening room, with headsets.”

Wilson is talking about the late John Belushi, one of the original cast members of “Saturday Night Live,” whom she met when he came to Eugene in the autumn of 1977 to film “Animal House.” Released the next year, the low-budget flick became a monster hit, making back its original budget dozens of times over since then.

Prior to the filming of “Animal House,” Wilson, an actress, writer and producer, was already a veteran of the movie industry, having served as a liaison between the Oregon governor’s office and the producers of “One Flew Over The Cuckoo’s Nest,” among other achievements. She was hired to serve as location scout and local talent recruiter for “Animal House,” a National Lampoon flick filled with ribald humor considered politically incorrect by some folks today but still ranked among America’s best comedy films ever.

The movie was filmed mostly in Eugene, around and on the University of Oregon campus, with additional scenes shot in Dexter and Cottage Grove. The film employed a bevy of local talent, from 27 speaking roles to myriad extras to crew members, Wilson says.

“All this was because ‘Animal House’ had a ‘B-drive-in-movie’ budget, and they couldn’t really afford to bring the crew up from L.A. like they typically did on films before that, like ‘One Flew Over the Cuckoo’s Nest,’” Wilson says. “So they were more willing to give us a chance.”

COURTESY: KATHERINE WILSON - Katherine Wilson, right foreground, is seen here working on the set of the 'Animal House' parade scene in Cottage Grove. You can learn about Wilson's documentary on the 'Animal House of Blues 33 1/3' page on Facebook.

COURTESY: KATHERINE WILSON – Katherine Wilson, right foreground, is seen here working on the set of the ‘Animal House’ parade scene in Cottage Grove. You can learn about Wilson’s documentary on the ‘Animal House of Blues 33 1/3’ page on Facebook.

The chance the filmmakers took on Oregon is documented in “Animal House of Blues,” a 2012 video that won Best Documentary Feature by a Pacific Northwest Filmmaker at the Eugene International Film Festival that year. Wilson and others recently updated the movie with new footage, retitled it “Animal House of Blues 33 1/3” and celebrated the revised version with a toga-themed party at the Exchange Ballroom in Portland Oct. 30.Narrated by James “Izzy” Whetstine, who played the chainsaw-wielding janitor in “Animal House,” the 2016 version of “Blues” has also won an award, garnering “Best Bang for the Buck” honors in the “Remake” category at the Eugene film festival this year.

You can learn more about the revised, updated version at www.facebook.com/ahob33.3edition/.

Along with local acts The Hauer Things and The Mean Reds, on hand to perform at the Oct. 30 party was DeWayne Jessie, an African-American actor who portrayed singer Otis Day in the movie, and who sang “Shout” with Portland rockers The Cry. Also at the party: Portland’s most famous garage rockers The Kingsmen, whose rendition of “Louie, Louie” was memorably and drunkenly sung by Belushi and his fellow fraternity characters in the film.

“House of Blues” features The Cry’s members interviewing Jessie, who actually legally changed his name to Otis Day after the movie’s release. Taking on his film role moniker and performing around the world with The Knights (who then included a young Robert Cray in the movie), Day has spent decades performing “Shout” and “Shama Lama Ding Dong,” among other danceable tunes. His interviews in “Animal House of Blues” prove to be among the movie’s most riveting, as he recounts how a voice told him to take the part in the movie just when he had decided not to.

“I swear to God a voice came into my head and said, ‘Take it! Take it!’” Jessie/Day says in the documentary, which shows him moved to tears by how becoming Otis Day changed his life.

COURTESY: KATHERINE WILSON - The DeathMobile took out the viewer stands in the 1978 film 'Animal House.' The scene was shot in Cottage Grove; most of 'Animal House' was shot in Eugene at the University of Oregon.

COURTESY: KATHERINE WILSON – The DeathMobile took out the viewer stands in the 1978 film ‘Animal House.’ The scene was shot in Cottage Grove; most of ‘Animal House’ was shot in Eugene at the University of Oregon.

The documentary also ties together several threads of history, from the involvement of Ken Kesey’s Merry Pranksters alumni in the making of “Animal House” to the creation of the Blues Brothers, a musical act by Belushi and the harmonica-playing Dan Aykroyd that evolved into John Landis’ 1980 film of the same name.“Animal House of Blues” delves deeply into how Belushi got to know Oregon singer-harmonica player Curtis Salgado, whom he met one night after Salgado had played with The Crayhawks, a combined group of the Nighthawks and the Robert Cray Band.

Salgado and keyboardist D.K. Stewart — who also performed at the Oct. 30 bash — both note in the film that they played most Saturday nights, so they were not as familiar with Belushi as most TV viewers.

Salgado says Belushi told him Aykroyd played harmonica — “Oh great,” Salgado says in the video. “What the world needs, another harmonica player” — but that Belushi won him over when he mentioned he was excited Ray Charles was going to perform on “SNL.”

The two men wound up bonding over music, and eventually Belushi sat in with Salgado as well as pianist Stewart. The video includes a recording of Belushi’s performance of “Hey Bartender” at the Eugene Hotel as well as Salgado recounting how he coached Belushi to find his own voice, one more authentic than the Joe Cocker parody Belushi affected at first.

“He wasn’t a very good singer,” Salgado recalls. “But he was charismatic.”

Belushi’s and Aykroyd’s first album, “Briefcase Full of Blues,” was dedicated to Salgado, who also got another tip of the hat when they dubbed Cab Calloway’s Catholic orphanage janitor character in their movie “Curtis.” Meanwhile, “House of Blues” also recounts how Stewart’s souped-up Galaxy Ford car may have inspired the famed ex-police-car-turned-Bluesmobile in the “Blues Brothers” movie as well.

Wilson, DeWayne Jessie/Otis Day, The Cry and possibly The Kingsmen hope to take the “33 1/3” video on the road sometime next year, and also to participate in Eugene’s and Cottage Grove’s plans for a 40th anniversary celebration of “Animal House” in 2018.

“We hope to have a wang dang doodle of a time,” Wilson says, noting organizers hope to plan the world’s largest toga party in celebration.

While not the only factor, Wilson says the movie played a crucial role in putting Oregon in Hollywood’s sights.

“During the filming of ‘Animal House,’ the director and producers couldn’t believe how easygoing and nice we were, or how good we were at our jobs, which was mostly creative problem solving, or how sophisticated we were about things like music and literature,” she says. “After that, Oregon had a reputation of helping a great deal in making a blockbuster out of a B-movie budget.”

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The Priory of God’s Daughter

The Priory of God’s Daughter

by

Jon Presco

Copyright 2018

Here are my lost posts I found three hours ago. They were written just before my sixteen year old daughter, Heather Hanson, came into my life. Below are most of my posts on the Priory de Sion yahoo.group. This is before Dan Drown published The Da Vinci Code.  After posting some brilliant post that were a sampling of my study, I was set upon my fellow members who I believe were Freemasons. They had taken control of other groups and I got evicted from several. I would be evicted from this one, because, their petty observations based upon a secret teaching they were privy to, was blown away by the light that they encountered on the road – and blinded them!

I was studying Robert Graves ‘The White Goddess’ that is Graves attempt to restore ancient worhip of the goddess. This went nicely with the idea that Jesus and Mary Magdalene were married – and had a daughter! Graves wrote ‘King Jesus’ around the same time. He worded with the ideas that Baigent and Leigh made famous in their book ‘Holy Blood, Holy Grail. This team ended up suing Dan Brown for plagerism – and lost.

Soon aftter Brown’s book is a huge hit, this list, fizzles out. One of the last posts mentions the idea that Dan Brown plagerized ‘The Daughter of God’ that was written in May of 2001. It is about a Female Messiah. In 1972 I began ‘The Golden Girls of the Corn Cob’ a take off on Harold Robins. It is about I and a friend setting off for Nebraska in search of Rena Christensen, who has been captured by a cult of Amazons and is being worshipped as the Female Messiah. When my daughter came into my life, she was a real candidate for a Female Messiah. Her mother told me about the light that surrounded my child when she was born. Tragically, Heather sees all her light as coming from her mother – who sabotaged my biography and tried to contribute to the rival biography. This now has extreme revalence after I read what the Daughter of God is about.

In 1997 I wrote a cryptic letter to the Judge overseeing the artistic estate of my late sister, the world famous artist, Rosamond. I speak of the study you read below.

Two years ago I contacted the Austrian Embassy about the return of a Habsburg painting that was hidden from the Nazi. I contacted Interpol. Lewis Perdue says he tracked down looted art. What you are beholding is a Non-Fictional account. What you will read is the work of a real “symbolist”. I might be the model for Langdon. What you will read is my threat to turn my study into Historic-Fiction, even a Rose Romance. It is rumored that Brown lurked in the background of these groups. There are links to my Ian Fleming revival where James Bond is a woman. I am willing to forgive my daughter and have a relationship with her, if she surrenders to the truth……..most of her light, comes from me! She can be deprogramed, and reeducated.

As for Rena Easton, I believe she was gotten to, and, became afraid. I am going to publish everything in this post – in a book! When I am known, she will feel saf-er!

Jon Presco

President: Royal Rosamond Press

 

https://rosamondpress.com/2016/11/21/interpol-stolen-art/

https://rosamondpress.com/2018/05/22/the-dedregation-of-rosamond-no-2/

https://rosamondpress.com/2015/09/01/recovering-the-lost-magical-mural/

 

The Nazi plunder of Europe’s art and antiquities during WWII sets the stage for a thriller spun around a religious coverup so devastating it could topple the Vatican and crush Western religion. A dying, repentant Nazi, Willi Max, calls renowned American art broker/historian Zoe Ridgeway, to Switzerland, where he reveals his cache of looted treasure, hiring her to catalogue and return it to the owners or heirs. Shortly after she tells her husband, Seth–an ex-L.A. cop turned comparative religion professor at UCLA–about the exciting job, she is kidnapped from their Zurich hotel room. The dismissive Swiss police do little to search for Zoe, so Seth takes charge when he reads that Willi Max died when a fire demolished his mansion just hours after Zoe met with him. Seth discovers that the destroyed treasures are only a fraction of the spoils stashed in a booby-trapped salt mine since WWII. One religious relic’s very existence was kept secret by the Vatican for centuries: it’s a burial shroud clearly showing the image of a young girl, a second messiah. This “”daughter of God”” was killed, along with her entire village, in the time of Constantine, because her sex and her healing powers threatened the fledgling Christian religion. When the Nazis found out about the shroud, Hitler used the relic to blackmail Pope Pius into silence about Nazi atrocities. Seth has sole access to the salt mine and soon the head of Vatican intelligence, the Russian mafiya and other sinister agents give murderous chase. Perdue’s speedy tale of greed and power boasts strong heroes and villains with credible motivation. He steps nimbly between Switzerland and L.A., putting Zoe in peril, but with the wits to save herself. A valiant cadre of aging war survivors add color to the cast. Agent, Natasha Kem. (Feb.)

Lars Fuglesang

Jun 9, 2003

Hi All.

This is my first post in this club, and this is a interesting theme
to discuss around.
In my opinion mr.Brown ha stolen most of his stuff from “Daughter of
God”.
And another ting is that Baigent, Lincoln and Leigh has an
interesting hypothesis concerning the bloodline of Jesus and the
connection to PoS in the book HBHG.

Lars:-))

 

http://daughter-of-god.com/

I have always preferred to build my novels on a solid foundation of fact, and so my preparation for Daughter of God included a massive amount of historical investigation that included hands-on research at the U.S. National Archives into the Art Looting Investigative Unit of the OSS (the World War II precursor of the CIA). I set as my goal the task of locating at least one painting that had disappeared into Nazi hands.

How Much of This Book Is True?

Daughter of God is fiction based on fact, much of which is easily verified. For example, the true stories of the art theft and how escaping SS troops used looted art to buy their freedom. You can rest firm in the knowledge that many of the art works lost during the war are hanging on the walls of chateaux in the Alps. Many more rest beneath the streets of Zurich.

As I learned first hand, many of these are fantastically valuable, far, far more valuable than the estimation of a human life for someone asking the wrong questions. I had my life threatened in Zurich for asking too many questions. But more than Nazis and stolen art are those that deal with how churches have become institutions of men rather than of the spirit.

 

On the other hand, I’m fairly sure that the parts about Sophia as a Fourth Century flesh-and-blood woman are my imagination, created as they were from fragments of intriguing research about the early Christian church and the seminal roles that women played in it, roles which the male-dominated spiritual revisionists have tried to excise. They have been largely successful, but significant references remain. As I said before, just read Proverbs or the Song of Solomon where Wisdom is given her due.

To this day, the Catholic Church and other faiths – especially the Greek and Russian Orthodox Churches — are still ambivalent about a mythical Sophia. Some, particularly those who follow Gnosticism, say she is the prime creator of the universe. Others believe in her as the feminine part of an androgynous God and still others identify her as the embodiment of Wisdom or even the Logos of the Christian Trinity before it was thoroughly masculinized. Sophia has a place in history, but where in history is still to be determined.

 

http://daughter-of-god.com/conversation.shtml#truth

Nov 3 at 3:30 PM

Dear Sir,

your information was forwarded to the Austrian Consulate General. Please give us more details why you to your mind the mentioned canvas was smuggled out of Austria and who did that.

Kind regards

Josef Schwob

Thank you for responding. I first looked into this matter  twenty years ago. The story goes Empress Zita gave, or put in the care of Helene Granitsch ‘The Audience’ . Helene is standing just behind the Empress looking at the viewer. She then gave it to a woman named Ansacker in New York. Somehow it ends up in a Bank vault in Eugene Oregon. Sixteen years later it is in the hands of Lynn S. McCready, secretary of ‘Friends of the Museum’. There is no mention of a purchase.

I can not find the article where Helenes’ daughter, Dr. Susanne Granitsch-Konirsch, is selling pieces of bedroom furniture that belonged to Empress Zita that were put in her care until she came back to Austria to reclaim her throne. She wanted to sleep in her bed in Austria once again.

I found letters where  Susanne Granitsch-Konirsch and her husband are petitioning the U.S. Forces in Austria for the return of very expensive furniture valued at $15,000 dollars. That is a lot of money for furniture. They had left Austria and become U.S. citizens. They claim Nazi Party Leader, Jospeh Winkler, ended up with their property, as well as Nazi Party Member, Otto Schneider. Is this the famous SS Captain of the Wiking Panzer group? Was he given this property as a reward. He was given the Knights Cross.

Susanne Renate Granitsch was a famous Austrian Artist, kin to Georg Granitsch, a member of the Academic Union and founder of ‘The Neue Freie Presse’ and Ambassador of the Raiffensen Bank.

Sincerely

John Presco a.k.a. John Ambrose

bran45bran47bran48bran52Helen

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_White_Goddess

Graves’s The White Goddess deals with goddess worship as the prototypical religion, analysing it largely from literary evidence, in myth and poetry.

Graves admitted he was not a medieval historian, but a poet, and thus based his work on the premise that the

language of poetic myth anciently current in the Mediterranean and Northern Europe was a magical language bound up with popular religious ceremonies in honour of the Moon-goddess, or Muse, some of them dating from the Old Stone Age, and that this remains the language of true poetry…

Graves concluded, in the second and expanded edition, that the male-dominant monotheistic god of Judaism and its successors were the cause of the White Goddess’s downfall, and thus the source of much of the modern world’s woe. He describes Woman as occupying a higher echelon than mere poet, that of the Muse Herself. He adds “This is not to say that a woman should refrain from writing poems; only, that she should write as a woman, not as an honorary man.” He seems particularly bothered by the spectre of women’s writing reflecting male-dominated poetic conventions.[2]

Graves first wrote the book under the title of The Roebuck in the Thicket in a three-week period during January 1944, only a month after finishing The Golden Fleece. He then left the book to focus on King Jesus, a historical novel about the life of Jesus. Returning to The Roebuck in the Thicket, he renamed it The Three-Fold Muse, before finishing it and retitling it as The White Goddess. In January 1946 he sent it to the publishers, and in May 1948 it was published in the UK, and in June 1948 in the US, as The White Goddess: a Historical Grammar of Poetic Myth.[1]

Herodian Messiah[7] is a work of non-fiction that presents evidence and arguments in support of the central theory of King Jesus (i.e., that Jesus was the son of Antipater ben Herod and Mariamne bat Antigonus).[8] 

In 1976, Baigent moved to the UK, where he met Richard Leigh, the man who was to be his roommate and frequent co-author. Leigh introduced him to the alleged mystery of Rennes-le-Château in France, and Baigent launched into research on the matter. In the same decade, Leigh introduced him to Henry Lincoln, a British television scriptwriter, while Lincoln was lecturing at a summer school. The three discovered that they shared an interest in the Knights Templar, and took their Jesus bloodline theory on the road during the 1970s, in a series of lectures which later developed into the 1982 book, The Holy Blood and the Holy Grail.

Published on 18 January 1982, The Holy Blood and the Holy Grail popularised the hypothesis that the true nature of the quest for the Holy Grail was that Jesus and Mary Magdalene had a child together, the first of a bloodline which later married into a Frankish royal dynasty, the Merovingians, and was all tied together by a society known as the Priory of Sion. These ideas were later used as a basis for Dan Brown‘s international bestselling novel The Da Vinci Code.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Da_Vinci_Code

The Da Vinci Code is a 2003 mystery thriller novel by Dan Brown. It follows “symbologist” Robert Langdon and cryptologist Sophie Neveu after a murder in the Louvre Museum in Paris causes them to become involved in a battle between the Priory of Sion and Opus Dei over the possibility of Jesus Christ having been a companion to Mary Magdalene.

The title of the novel refers to the finding of the first murder victim in the Grand Gallery of the Louvre, naked and posed similar to Leonardo da Vinci‘s famous drawing, the Vitruvian Man, with mathematic message written beside his body and a pentagram drawn on his chest in his own blood.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iconography

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Only_Begotten_Daughter

3713Re: [Prieure-de-Sion] Re: Review for “Daughter of God”

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  • dunstanmells@cs.com
    Jun 9, 2003
    In a message dated 6/9/03 10:51:33 AM Central Daylight Time, larsfu@…
    writes:

    > In my opinion mr.Brown ha stolen most of his stuff from “Daughter of
    > God”.

     

    Hello, Lars. And welcome.

    I am sure that this charge of plagiarism will have to be worked out in court
    or by some type of settlement if it is true. Hope we can follow the process.

    Have you read “The Da Vinci Code” yet? It sounds as if you have already read
    D-o-G.
    ************************

    > And another ting is that Baigent, Lincoln and Leigh has an
    > interesting hypothesis concerning the bloodline of Jesus and the
    > connection to PoS in the book HBHG.

     

    Yes. They started the “popular movement”, but in twenty years since they
    published a lot has changed and a lot more books have been written. You may
    want to update your library with some of the newer releases on the subject.

    DM

Re: Jon’s ‘methodology’

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  • prosemont@yahoo.com
    Feb 28, 2001
    I just got back from playing a round golf with my professor friend,
    Mark Gall, who is in Who’s Who for establishing the way you teach
    teachers how to teach people. He is the head of the education
    department at the University of Oregon. I told him of my difficulty I
    have been having getting my study across, it nipped in the bud before
    it has a chance to take hold. I know it is highly specialized, it
    based upon the work of Robert Graves ‘The White Goddess’ who
    concludes much of human mythology, and most of our Biblical teaching
    is based upon ancient calendar mysteries, thus they have a common
    connection, being the sun and moon rise, wane, wax, and set pretty
    much the same way for everyone in the world, and perhaps not so
    suprisingly “there is nothing new under the sun” these mystery-makers
    sticking to tried and true principles.If you don’t know what’s out there, have not bothered to take a good
    look around, then you do not know how scarce this material is, it all
    but wiped out by the Catholic church. What is left unscathed is
    scattered here and there, and is like connect the dots, which I
    understand can be quite irksome to other posters. I am a man with a
    mission, I so angry with the Catholic church for doing this,
    sometimes I can not connect straight!I then sought a solution, asked Mark how he would structure a way
    this seemingly abstract and off the beaten path study (and other
    studies) could be shared for the betterment of the whole. He brought
    up the theory of a professor named Potter (I believe?) who
    surmised; “It is much easier to disprove something, then to prove
    something.”That seemed to sum up the trouble I, and perhaps others are having
    here, and at other groups. You get people who know and believe this,
    and they have a field-day disproving the theories others put forth,
    and quite often never putting their standard up the flag pole to see
    if it gets a hardy salute! I mean, considering the subject matter,
    this is like shooting ducks in a barrel! To prove Mary Magdalene had
    Jesus’s baby is going to be much harder to prove, then proving the
    world isn’t flat. And it is flat, even though there exists some new
    evidence to the contrary.It would be a great service to this group, and others, if we did put
    some of this fine, even noble logic to work, and see if we can INVENT
    a new format, so that this new media of electronic “thinking aloud”
    we will not fall away into a utterly devastating silence, a void
    beyond the void. I think there is an existing method we can try. One
    idea I was thinking about, was picking pro and con teams to tackle a
    controversy that won’t go away, much like a debate team. Thus, no one
    feels ganged up on, worried about the growing number of shark in the
    bloody water.Jon PrescoIn Prieure-de-Sion@y…, flegetanis@h… wrote:

    > I thought I might make this short posting, to be built upon later,

    to

    > address a question that has been brewing in my mind ever since Jon
    > started posting. It seems to me that the majority of his

    conclusions

    > are based on a kind of verbal join-the-dots. There is a reference

    to

    > a dragon in this traditional literature, there might be a reference
    > to a dragon in this mystical tradition, and rather than taking the
    > Levi-Straussian line that this represents a common source of

    literary

    > and anthopological imagery, he concludes that rather it is evidence
    > of the interconnectedness of things. To me this seems a dangerous
    > position, as with links that tenuous, I could prove that since in

    the

    > Waste Land T.S Eliot quoted the line “Full fathom five thy father
    > lies” from Shakespeare’s the Tempest, this is evidence not of

    Eliot’s

    > literary debt, but rather of the fact that they both stem from an
    > older ur-text which predates them both.
    > Likewise, as has already been pointed out, the instance of a word
    > such as ‘pearl’ does not really signify anything, either
    > semiologically or specifically, except in that instance, it is

    being

    > used to denote the presence of Oyster by-product. Linking it in

    with

    > cliche and unrelated myth through the postulation that all things
    > made of pearl and featuring in ‘myth’ are fundamentally connected

    is

    > an illogical assumption and that product of either false logic, or
    > the absense of logic.
    > An even more fundamental problem emerges when we address the fact
    > that not all of these myth-traditions exist in the same language,

    and

    > so mis-translation and misinterpretation make simple assumptions
    > about with word in latin being connected with this word in aramaic
    > for example, foolhardy unless the original sources can be cited and
    > provable translations provided.
    > It seems obvious to me that Jon has a large amount of research, but
    > that it does not really seem to prove the things he says it proves
    > (if I am accurate in suggesting he is trying to prove something).
    > Anyway, these are just my thoughts on the matter, as I am sensing
    > that there is some dissatisfaction with the current state of

    affairs.

    > I trust noone will be too offended by my stepping in here, but in

    my

prosemont@yahoo.com
Mar 2, 2001
Jenner; I think we can work together. I believe we are looking a Poet-
Kings who insulted the wrong people in the right places. Jesus
insulted the Pharisees everytime they opened their mouths, when they
put Jesus to their test, when they tried to trip him up.Sorry, for reacting so strongly to your post. The point I was trying
to make, is, we can help our fellow posters by answering some of the
tricky, or, trippy questions we put forth, ourselves. I do not have
all the answers. If I did, I would be negotiating with my editor
right now – for a bigger advance!Because we are looking at Poet/Kings I think the poetic approach
should be permitted by the those who push the logical approach.
Example, all that tedious logical political stuff filed away in our
Congressional Records by all those ‘Mumbbling Joes’ is not evidence
we Americans live in a Democracy. Jack Kennedy may have given this
evidence when as a Poet-Presdient he gave this famous stansa; “Ask
not what your country can do for you, but what you can do for your
country.”

https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/Prieure-de-Sion/conversations/messages/539 me

 

 

539Embalmed Head of Bohemond

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prosemont@yahoo.com

Feb 22, 2001

Here….Catch! A candidate for the severed-head contest!

In 1129 Bohemond 2 was slain in an attack on Damascus. According to
Britanica Online “The local emir had his severed head embalmed and
sent as a gift to the caliph.” I am certain this head was ransomed
and retrieved, as Bohemond was the son of Bohemond 1, grandson of
Phillip 1 ‘King of France’, and kin of Robert Guiscard ‘King of
Sicily’. A year ago I pointed out that the name Bohemond was a
nickname after an un-named giant. Bohemond 1 was a head high above
the tallest of the knights. I suggested this nickname was based upon
the Biblical giant ‘Behemoth’, and that ‘Baphomet’ was the same, it
refering to an elephant. I then put forth a theory that the Bohemonds
that came out of Sicily, fought in the Crusade, and became the rulers
of Syria, were kin to Hannibal the Phoenician Carthaginian who allied
himself with the Burgundians in his war on Rome, and whose father
retreated to Sicily after his failed attempt to conquer Rome. It
appears this family with the surname de Burg, le Borgne, de Bourgogne
(Burgandy?) had a plan to conquer North Africa and the Byzantine
empire during the Crusades, and re-establish the Carthaginian empire
which the Vandals once colonized.

Well, I suspect he is ‘The Lord of Hosts’ the elephant-god Ganesha,
whose mother was ‘Mother Kali’ – the Black Modonna? To quote
from ‘The Woman’s Encyclopedia of Myths and Legends’ “His title was
adobted by the Jewish Jehovah, during the period he was married to
the Virgin Goddess Anath, or Neith, in the temple of Elaphantine in
Egypt. Jewish mercenaires stationed there worshipped the elephant-
headed, virgin born Lord of Hosts as their own Yaho (or Yahweh). At
the time, the Jewish God was a subordinate spouse of the Goddess who
was hailed as ‘Queen of Heaven’ and mistiress of all gods. The same
Virgin Goddess was the mother, as well as the bride, of the elephant
bull-god.” “The elephant-god was not forgotten by the Jews, but he
was dissociated from the later concept of Yahweh, and diabolized. He
became the demon Behemoth.”

Anath is a Syrian Goddess also know as Astarte she going into the
underworld to raise her consort Baal-el from the dead. Another form
of her name is Mari. Consider this possibility, that Mary Magdalene,
also known as the ‘Queen of heaven’ raised Jesus from the dead. Did
the worship of Behemoth and the Thunder-god, Baal-el survive amongst
the Norseman, the Danish Danites? Anath was the daughter of El, one
of the earliest God of the Jews, who was a Sea Serpent that swam in
all the inportant rivers and seas of the world, including the
Alphaeus river in Arcadia.

Jon Presco

Copryright 2001

https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/Prieure-de-Sion/conversations/messages/540

 

prosemont@yahoo.com

Feb 23, 2001

Below is a pitition to rebuild the Elephantine temple to the Lord of
Hosts, it written by a Onias Bar-Onias, whose father was the high
priest of the temple at Jerusalem, and claims he was usurped. The
prophesy in Isaiah 19:19-25 is cited as to God’s authourity and
approval in the building of this second rival temple, where Isaiah
foretells; “In that day shall five cities in the land of Egypt speak
the language of Canaan.”

Ptolomy and his sister-queen approved of this temple that Josephus
claims lasted 343 years, it destroyed by Vespasian Flavius after the
fall of Masada. Joseph and Mary took the young Jesus to Egypt in
order for him to stand in the shadow of the great obelisk known
as ‘Cleopatra’s Needle’ that has been suggested represents one of the
two columns at the entrance to the temple at Jerusalem. It had a twin
that now stands on the Thames in Britain, I believe. It appears to me
there was a earlier ‘Savior’ who saved the rightful priesthood and
worship, meaning, the righful ‘Bloodline’ as well?

It is my desire to bury any grievances I might have amassed, and get
along with my fellow posters so that we can start afresh. This
revelation, like the hand of a clock, has clicked us over to a new
understanding of these mysteries.

Jon Presco

 

 

Lazarus at Masada

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prosemont@yahoo.com

Feb 23, 2001

It is worth noting that Lazarus who gave that famous speach at Masada
was aware of the saints in India who took their lives in a religious
ritual. Here is the correct URL for my ladt post.

Jon Presco

http://www.ao.net/~fmoeller/19.htm

 

prosemont@yahoo.com

Feb 24, 2001

I have been accused having more names, then Bartholomew (son of
Ptolomy) had hats, but, “Joe” is not one of them. *S*

No, I have not heard of Sarah Kali, but her name suggests she too
might be seeing saints and Avatars from India lurking about in the
Torah? I got my eye on a guy named Burna-Buriash, his name perhaps a
mistranslation?

I noticed you enjoy a good climb in a noble family tree. In looking
at the archives of this group, I saw inquiries about Templar names. I
have been posting on Robert de Ros ‘Baron de Ros’ also spelled Roos
and Ros, and Ross. He was married to Isabel daughter of William ‘The
Lion’ King of Scotland. He was a Knight Templar and monk, as was his
kin Thomas de Ros. This family might have been one of the signers of
the ‘Arbroth’ that suggests the Scots are descendants of the
Scythians, and for a time lived in India, in Ceylon. Is the pagpipe
really from India? Anyone!

Jon Presco

 

Now, for the kicker. Pontius Pilate is said to be from Scotland, and
this may be kin to Brutus the Trojan who defeated Gog MacGog in
battle, and who was on the exodus from Troy with Aeneas who was the
lover of Dido, whose other name is EliSHEBA, daughter
of the oath or vow – who was the daughter of King Belus of Trye. She
may be the Sheba who was given the Ark, that may have come from India
with ‘Lord of Hosts’ who had a terrible face to behold, and is seen
walking about on the mount, Moses put in a cleft of rock to see him
pass by. Aeneas was the founder of Troy who goes into the Underworld
to interigate his father. He was washd clean of his mortal parts by
his mother, Venus, who made him a immortal, giving him the name ‘Sol
Indiginus’ which i thinkmeans ‘Source of the Sun’ and may be the true
sun-god Constantine worshipped. In short, the elephantine Temple is
the missing link, all the Temple objects at Sion relocated, takne to
Egypt. Remember, Moses married a Cushite woman, this name
meaning “black” as does the name Krishna. I suspect Moses married
Mari-Anath, the virgin form of Modonna Kali.

Jon Presco

Copyright 2001

 

prosemont@yahoo.com

Feb 24, 2001

Aeneas was the founder of Rome, not Troy. In Virgel’s poem about
Aeneas ‘Aeniad’, there is a short piece titled ‘The Messiac’ which
foretells of a Messiah being born to Cleopatra and Mark Anthony –
but, I now wonder if it was not to the Cleopatra that heard the pleas
of Onias in regards to rebuilding the Elephantine temple? Virgel
invented Pastoral Poetry, he using the Arcadian theme.

The connection I made between Aeneas, Pontius Pilate, Brutus of Troy
is linked to the Cymry, a tribe mentioned in the Bible, who were kin
to the Trojans, who the Scythians chased into India. This tribe are
also known as the CIMMERIANS from which the Sicambra Franks get their
name, they kin to the Marcomer Kings thus the Marcomani tribe, that
became the Hapsburg family. In the coronation book of Franz Joseph, a
young boy is seen on top of a huge elephant. This may be Pharamond,
or Alexander the Great who went into India, and who is depicted with
horns coming out of his head on a coin. I now wonder if this was the
coin that John the bpatist threw at the house of Herod, reminding
them of the true religion that Moses followed, alexander given the
Nehushtan by the high priest.

Jon Presco

 

 

duke-law@dotexpress.com

Feb 24, 2001

Hi Jon:

You are tossing out some fascinating bits of info. such as the origin
of Pontius Pilate. Do you have any good references materials we can
take a look at?

I enjoy your postings. Please kep them coming.

DW Duke

https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/Prieure-de-Sion/conversations/messages/554

I have many notes! A mound of notes! There is a mention of Pilate
being born in Fortingale, there I site I can not summon at the
moment. I can forward email from other groups I once belonged to who
found me quite the ‘babbler’ an accusation made against Saint Paul.
You see, I am a Robert Graves freaks, and like him a robber of
ancient graves in my mythographers search for that missing Kingdom
mentioned in Mark 4. Graves talks about a Roman method (elicio) of
discovering the secret names of gods, it a universal practice to hide
this name in riddles. Once discovered, then that god and His or Her
religion was no more. I suspect the Greeks held such a riddle contest
at Troy, the winner coming away with Helle, or the whole Greek
Pantheaon – and then some, as David might have won that contest when
he went to Troy with the Phillistines, a Greek colony. “Is David with
the Phillistines?” Graves says the Greek and Hebrew pantheon are one
and the same, Cronos, the black raven God, being Jehovah, who was a
consort of Anath, or Kali, who also devoured her children. To put
Anath and Kali in Egypt at a Hebrew Temple is the key to the Gordian
Knot – it appears!

David’s Nazarite riddles drove King Saul mad. BathSHEBA may be
Hellen, or Aphrodite at her bath, Adonis perhpas Adonijah? Samson the
Nazarite was a riddle maker and breaker, he slaying the Phillistines
with the riddles he played on his harp made from the jawbone of the
ass-unicorn of Seti, who is one of the beasts Meroveees mother mates
with; and thus, I can read the “small scroll” and at thesame time
pull the Sword from the Stone, which is a mythographers – trick that
JONAS knew, when God pulled this “Dove” out of the bellu of a whale,

 

prosemont@yahoo.com

Feb 24, 2001

I will work on these Madonnas, search Robert Graves ‘The White
Goddess’ which has all of a sudden been made clear. We can now
undemonize the exiled religious objects of Moses, including the
Nehushtan, that was his rod, that warded off snakes in the
wilderness, “the valley of death” and was alexander’s protection from
evil, that is, being poisoned either by snake-bite, or humankind,
this protection the meaning of his name.

In Revelatins 12 ‘The woman and the Dragon’ we see the Beast and the
Dragon attacking the child of the Queen of Heaven, and Pauls Jesus
that I suspect has suffered greatly at the hands of the Roman
mythographers. “Anmd the serpent cast out of his mouth water as a
flood after the woman, that he might cause her to be carried away of
the flood. But the earth helped the woman’ and the earth opened her
mouth, and swollowed up the flood which the dragon cast out of hius
mouth.”

Well, dragons breath fire, incense burned inside the Nehushtan, and
an elephant shoots steams of water, that a Laviathan, a crocidile
would swollow up, thus this birth is associated with Osiris who was
swallowed by a crocidle, Isis going into the Underworld to save him,
via the Aplahaeus river that disapears suddenly, as if swollowed by
the earth. There was a King of Arcadia with the demigod typhon from
Thrace – during the volcanic erruption that Moses saw. Moses is

 

 

prosemont@yahoo.com

Feb 24, 2001

Meher Baba quit speaking for the last fourty years of his life, and
used a sign language to communicate with his disciples. Robert Graves
breaks the alphabet code the Welsh poets used, it a finger-sign,
letters of the Beth-luis-Nion alphabet assigned to points and pads of
the finger. The Comacine Masters – from who the Freemsaons are said
to come – knew this sign language, as did Leonardo de Vinci, he using
it to tell the world who the Dragon Masters are when they hold the
forefinger up to heaven. On this finger are the letters 0 from bottom
to top – D G and O capped by a suspended letter L. In Hebrew the
letter L looks like a sea dragon, and means “learned”.

 

 

duke-law@dotexpress.com

Feb 25, 2001

Hi Jon:

Some of this poetry reminds me of the poetry of the singer Jon
Anderson. Have you published any of it? I enjoy angling through it
but some will probably not.

You have collected a large volume of facts combined with mythology
and religion. I think you would find many who would appreciate this
poetry published with bibliography (as opposed to actual citations)so
they can search for the hidden meanings. Might even be a best seller.

DW Duke

 

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561Re: Fwd: THE Q-UNICORN

prosemont@yahoo.com

Feb 25, 2001

Your interest in this poetic study on ProseMountain is most welcome
and appreciated. We are living in the world of the Dissatified Fix,
where more and more our Ignorance is King!

Here in part is Gwion Bach’s ‘Battle of the Trees’. The Elphin poets
competed in poetry contests, the winner getting to wear the robe of
red roebuck – and his exalted antlers, the horns of power. They were
not allowed to alter one word of the great Welsh riddle poems, their
mastery of these poems taking thirty years, the same amount of time
it took to become a Scribe. Constantine is said to have attended
these schools. I am now wondering if John and Jesus brought Apollo’s
apple to their teachers who appear to descend from the Milesians of
Crete, where in a cave, the Dactyles and the Curetes taught the
infant Zeus how to finger-speak, they rattling their shields when his
father Cronos-Jehovah drew near to devour his newborn son – thus
Jehovah is the Dragon that was consuming all the Aegean cosmolgies.
There are other Dragon born sons, they born during star-showers. The
birth of Theodorick the Great is comapred to Revelations 12.

I have been studying the Nazarites for ten years, and have come to
believe they are the Curetes and Dactyles. The Nazarites came to rule
the temple in Jerusalem in 66 A.D. with Jesus’s brother James as the
head of the original church that Saint Paul admits he all but
destroyed with glee, he confessing he tortured men, women, and
children in order to get them to “DENOUNCE THEIR LORD”! I never
understo

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prosemont@yahoo.com

Feb 25, 2001

Satan “advisary” takes Jesus atop the temple and shows him seven
cities (I believe) that will be his if he follow this fallen angel.
Jesus answers “Get behind me, Satan.”

This could mean, “My knowlege of Augury has surpassed your own – and
that of Solomon and Hiram.” He has lapped his teachers!? If so, then
this is a Stone Mason who has passed the ‘Builder’s Test’. The stone
the builders rejected is perhaps ‘Cleopatra’s Needle’ – thus, the
rejection of the Ptolomies in Egypt who backed the Elephantine
temple, and who commisioned the writing of the Septuagint, that the
Jews in Jerusalem rejected, it too Greek to their liking? Graves says
this about MELKARTH the deity that Hiram worshipped – and Joseph of
Arimathea?

“We know that the Phoenician Hurcules Melkarth (“King of the City”)
died yearly and that the QUAIL was his bird of resurection; which
means that when the migrant quail arrives in Phoenicia early in
March from the South, the oak begins to leaf and the new King
celebrates his royal marriage. Melkarth was revived when Ensum (He
whom we invoke’), the local Aesculapius, held a quail to his nose.
The quail is notorius for its pugnacity and lechery.” AND, so was
King David, he admonished for this by Micah who behoilds his quail
dance from her window, David dancing naked before the Ark, she
understanding his message in his choice of dances. Is he declaring
himself ‘KING OF THE CITY’?

 

I will forward a post on the Seraphs of Egypt that look so very much
like King Arthur’s Dragon. Ezekiel depicts them as swastikas, fire-
wheels, the Cherubs that guarded the Tree of Life. These
are ‘Guardian Angels’ or angles, and within contain the Egyptian and
Indian Pantheon. I will quote directly from Graves on Melkarth, it
rather long. Do not loose patience, for this is the key to our
mysteries;

“Here we can make a bold identification of the Cherub withthe turning
wheel that guards the Paradises of Celtic legend: for according to
Geenesis 3:24, Cherubs were stationed at the East Gate of Eden. They
were aremd with the ‘whirling sword of Jehovah’ – the one which
(according to Issaiah 27:1) he killed the Dragon, as Marduk had
killed Tiamat – to prevent anyone from entering. The paradise of
Exekiel’s tradition (Chap 28:13-16) is a WELL-WATERED garden at the
base of a hill which heroes, such as the King of Tyre, occasinally
visit. It glitters with precious stones and is a place of of drum and
pipe. We have seen that Gwion placed it in the valley of Hebron. The
Seraphs, or firey serpents, associated with the Cherubs in their
guardian duties, are evidently another way of expressing the sacred
spirals carved as a warning on the gate enclosure, the Cherubs,
because distingguished from them, are likey to have been swastikas,
ir fire-wheels.”

Jon

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prosemont@yahoo.com

Feb 25, 2001

Thank you Jim, this is helpful, for Robert Graves in ‘The White
Goddess’ says Solomon built THREE “contigious temples” meaning they
were in neighboring countries, or close to one another. The temple of
Jewish sect the Therapeutae is found at On-Heliopolos, along with
the worship of the Phoenix.

With the discovery of the Elephanitne temple we now have three
candidates for Sion, or, contenders for Sion, the right to reign in
the office of the high priesthood, that had become a HEREDIATARY one
with the Macaabees and Herodians? but, perhaps not so amongst the
rival sects? The possibility the last King of Judah may have deserted
Israel to rule in a foreign land, at another Sion – IS what the
mystery of the Prieure-de-Sion is about. Was Jesus ‘King of the Jews’
or not? I say he was, on the order of Hiram and Kelkath ‘King of the
City’ the city of Sion? and he appears to be an Augur on the order of
Moses, and thus he is a Freemason, their roots found in Hiram and
Jesus as suggested.

What Graves had suggested, was, the twin obelisks of On-Heliopolis
inspired the two pillars of Solomon’s temple in Jerusalem. What I was
suggesting was Jesus being taken to Cleopatra’s Needle as an infant,
may have been a means to show the reader where, and who the rightful
priests were. That a Pharough would take objects out of the Holy of
Holies, perhaps suggests these objects had a more worthy owner. W

 

prosemont@yahoo.com

Feb 25, 2001

Here is the site on the Seraphs and Nehushtan. In regards to the post
on the burning contents of the Ark, I would say this is not far-
fetched, as the Seraphs are Ezeliel’s fire-wheels, the Guardian
Angels, and they are the swastika-wheels of the Lord’s chariot. There
is a mention of a teaching concerning these fire-wheels in regards
to ‘hashmal’ the Hebrew word for electricity such as the bolt of
electricity that killed two Philistines carrying th Ark.

“The Ma’aesh Merkabah ‘Work of the Chariot’ might not be taught to
anyone unless he were not only wise but able to deduce knowlege
through wisdom (‘gnosis’) of his own.” “He declared that it was
unseemly that he should be riding while his pupil was discoursing on
sp awful a mystery, and while the SHEKINAH (‘the brightness’) and the
Mlacache ha-Shareth (the angels in waiting) were accompanying them.
Immediately Rabbi Eleazar began his exposition, fire came down from
Heaven and encicled them and the whole field.”

I will forward another post on SHEKINAH ‘The Rose of the World’. King
Henry, son of Godfrey ‘King of Jerusalem’ built a Labyrinth ,and put
Fair Rosamond ‘the Rose of the world’ at its center. She may have not
been a woman, or a man, or an angel. Then……?

 

 

prosemont@yahoo.com

Feb 26, 2001

Pontius Pilate also is depicted wearing a veil. Did he look into the
Ark? Did Jesus show him the truth, and he converted to the worship of
Anath and Ganesha? According to my ‘Smith’s Bible Dictionary’ Pilate
died in the Vienna, the capitol city of the Hapsburgs, he buried in a
fifty foot high pyramid – of all things!

One thing I have shown, is that the world of Jehovah was much larger
then depicted by Roman/Christian historians. My, how God’s Kingdom
has grown! Now, where did God hide His gold, the gold of His chosen
people, who at the time seem to be….Mark Anthony, and Cleopatra
Ptolomy! Even the Roman pastoral poet, Virgel, expects the Messiah to
come from this union. Did Octavian manage to intercept that fleet
leaving Alexandria full of the massive Ptolomy treasure, Egypt the
breadbasket of the world? I believe the Roman civil war is still
raging between Anthony and Octavian, as Queen Elizabeth is descended
from both Octavian and Anthony through emperor Claudius and the
Merovingians who took his name.

 

 

prosemont@yahoo.com

Feb 26, 2001

I forgot the url.

http://rannoch.net/fortingall.htm

Mark Anthony may have taken the Ptolomy treasure out in pieces, and
burying it all through the Transelpine. The Romans gave the Franks a
fleet to help them fight a war on the Bosphorus. They turned on the
Romans and became pirates. The Pythagoreans settled in Septamania,
and might have used the skull and crossbones as their ensign.

Jon

 

 

flegetanis@hotmail.com

Feb 26, 2001

Whoa Jon, back up there for a second my good man. Thats a mighty
speculative claim you have made there, care to provide any cast iron
evidence for it?

I believe the Roman civil war is still

> raging between Anthony and Octavian, as Queen Elizabeth is

descended

 

 

prosemont@yahoo.com

Feb 26, 2001

The authors of HGHG ask why Jesus and his religious movement show no
anti-Roman sentiments. I think these question should be documented
and posted as they are key in understainding these mysteries; and,
after arriving at logical conclusions – verses hard evidence – might
in themselves reveal the secret that would topple the Church, or
reveal the object or subject of said blackmail of Church. I think the
Church has worked hard in the last 2000 years to destory such
evidence, but the vacuum left behind may be the only evidence. If you
really want to help do the detective work, then we are going to enter
the field of speculative theology that may disturb some of the
posters, only that it will be tedious and argumentative.

Forinstance;
if Octavians forces won the civil war, then they still would be faced
with a split empire, the rancor and resentments overwhelming, for the
Romans played rough, even against their own citizens. If this civil
war had overtures of being a holy war – the worship of Isis the most
popular cosmology in Rome – then you get the kind of residue you get
in any and all holy wars – THEY NEVER ABATE! Consider the last post!

Cleopatra had declared herself the embodiment of Isis, and Mark
Anthony declared himself a deity – Osiris? If so, then Cleo would be
raising Anthony from the dead, as would Magdalene, Jesus. This
deified couple were close with the Macaabeans, Anthony said to have
put Phalaeus Antipater on the thrown in Judea. But, I think he was

 

 

prosemont@yahoo.com

Feb 26, 2001

It has been suggested by a few theologins I came across that Islam is
based on the remnant of the original church, who were the Nazarites
and perhaps the Rechobites, both sects not allowing the ingestion of
alchohol. One author suggested the original church survived in the
Islamic countries due to the poor nomads who shunned city life, and
because they were out of reach of Roman troups. What I found curious,
and perhaps evidence of this being true, was the mention the first
sign or sign of the first church, was a sea-anchor. Being a cryptic
artist, I saw what this anchor was, it is the Egyptian Ahnk in a Arc,
or, the symbol of woman cradled in the hold of the moon, or, Isis in
her Egyptian Ark, or, Venus coming ashore in half-shell, as the
Grandmaster of the Priure-de-Sion painted. The star of Venus and the
cresent moon is the ensign of Islam.

 

 

Re: Red Dragons &Seraphs

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prosemont@yahoo.com

Feb 26, 2001

Hello Silas. Are thou looking for a dragon flame? Let me say this, I
joined these egroups a year ago looking for other ‘White Goddess’
freaks who were also into the mysteries of the Prieure-de-Sion. I am
the only one. I am a rare species, like the last of the Dragons –
which by the way are not indiginous to Celtic lore! Did you know
that? I found this out at a Celtic festival. How, when, and who
introduced them to the Brits? I suspect the Jews may have been one
source, the Egyptians another. But, then we have those Mileseans from
Crete where the swastikas, seraphs, fire-wheels, originated. Did you
know the Bohemians and the Irish are kin, of the Milisean race?

The point being, Robert Graves study ‘The White Goddess’ is extremely
tedious and difficult. Find a copy and take a peek. There are not too
many people who have the time to study this book, along with our
mysteries. It will take me many, many posts to answer your question –
because, it is such a very good one, and it very fascinating.
Foristance, I told you about the letters on the forefinger of the
Beth-louis-Nion alphabet being DGO&L the L looking like a sea
serpent. Now, what I saw, being a of the cryptic mind, if you
rearange these letters you get GOD-L, or GOD-EL the chief diety of
the Jews. You also get GOLD, and a touch! When Jesus and John hold up
this finger they are saying ‘I am Nehushtan, the Learned Master’. Or,
I am the Learned Dragon’.

El, is the oldest deity of the Jews and as the sea serpent swam in
all the major CURRENTS of the world. Nehushtan in the Septuagint is
carrying a red hot coal, the spark of life. Consider the Sistine
Chapel and the EL-ectrical current between God-el and Adam, who is
about to recieve the ‘Spark of Life’.

If my fellow posters will allow, I will post here for a while, put my
arduous studies in the archives, and perhaps, one day, this lone
dragon will not be playing with fire all by himself?

I left out an important part of the quote I posted last night, about
the great Rabbi and the ‘Work of the Chariot’, which is in a sense a
Dragon one rides the back of. I suspect the great Kabalists told
these stories in Britain, and gave birth to dragon lore;

“Rabbi Eleazar began his exposition, fire came down from Heaven and
encircled them and the whole field. The angels assembled to listen,
as the sons of man assemble to witness the festivities of a marriage;
and there was singing in the terebinth-trees: “Praise the Lord from
the earth, ye dragons and all deeps, fruitfal trees and all the
cedars, praise ye the Lord!” To which an angel answered from the
fire, saying, “This is the Work of the Chariot.”

Now, I ask you, what common Roman citizen wouldn’t love these men and
their stories, their tales, their love for their Lord? Who would envy
them for their……….Magic?

The Civil War continues! I have traced the Nazarites to the Curetes
and Dactyles, the Guardian Angels of Zeus, the God of E-Lightening!
These ancient knights rattle their shields, and there is thunder over
the abysmal water. Behold, the Great Dragon of the Sea – Nehushtan,
rises from the deep, with a volcanic coal in its teeth. Who can
riddle me the meaning of this?

I do have my fun!

Jon

 

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knooruddin@visto.com

Feb 26, 2001

Hi,

It shouldn’t really be a big surprise to find similarities in Islam
and the Nazarite religion. Islam teaches that Jesus never came to
bring any new religion, but rather to bring the Jews back to the
religion which was the Law of Moses, that religion that the rest had
fallen away from. Jesus (may peace be upon him) is considered one of
the most important prophets in Islam who is seen as having been lied
against and whose words were changed. The Qur’an even tells that
those who changed the religion of Jesus knew just what they were
doing, too, and that much has been hidden by those evil doers. And,
Islam teaches that, again, this is no new religion, but a bringing
back to the original religion, this time as a completion, a clear
understanding, and a promise that this time the scripture will never
be altered. So far so good… it’s been almost 1500 years now and we
can still find the Qur’an in the original form.

By the way, in response to the muslims “habitually” taking over
others’ holy sites, the Kaabah is considered by the muslims to be
that building which Abraham built for the purpose of worshipping the
One God. But over thousands of years idol worshipping crept in. It

 

 

prosemont@yahoo.com

Feb 27, 2001

Dagobert means ‘Dragon-born’.

Theodorick the Great is considered ‘Dragon-born’ due to being born
during a star-shower, as Merlin was? In the German tale, the newly-
born ‘Wolf Dietrich’ or Theodorick, is kidnapped by an evil uncle and
left by a lake to fall into and drown. A pack of wolves adobt him,
and thus he is a Foundling, like Merlin, Moses, Taliesin, Llew Llew,
and Arthur. How about Benjamin? As a young man he is given a sword
named ‘Rose’ that the hero Orin found in a Dragon’s cave, amongst its
bones, the bones of a lion, and the bones of the previous owner
of ‘Rose’. These Dragons might have been Bhudda masters who came with
Attila the Hun. Is the Lion a Lion of Judah?

I found a page in a book on Cote of Arms showing the family shields
of Crusader Knights who added the chequer-board pattern after they
returned from the Holyland. This could relate to the chess moves of
the Knight in our mysteries. I read somehwere the idea that the
Templars adobted Bhuddism, but I am not sure. Anyone?

 

 

duke-law@dotexpress.com

Feb 27, 2001

Those of us who preexisted the Yahoo invasion remember you well. You
don’t have to unsubscribe unless you really want to.

DW Duke

 

 

prosemont@yahoo.com

Feb 27, 2001

Silas; Your two questions are not clear. Are you asking me if I know
for sure the true origin of King Arthur’s Red Dragon? I did not say
for sure the Egyptian Saraph was the source, I only said it “look so
very much like”. Do you know the origin of this Dragon? It can not be
a Celtic one, I heard. I am looking at the possibility that Dagda is
carrying the Nehushtan, the Rod of sun-faced Moses, that can guard a
life, take a life, and restore a life – even provide a fruitful
bounty. His pearl-rimmed caldron is perhaps refered to in Jesus’s
saying; “Do not cast thy pearls before swine.”

Read the difinition of cast “put down”. Dagda is said to be a
Milesean Sun-god from Crete. The caldron contained a sacred meal of
poetic inspiration; thus, the parable is, do not take from the
inspiration without putting something back in the pot. Graves says
this in his lesson on Melkarth and the Shekinah;

“Here we can make a bold identification of the Cherub with the
turning wheel that guards the Paraises of Celtic legend: for
according to Genesis 3:24, Cherubs were stationed at the East Gate of
Eden. They were aremed with the whirling sword of Jehovah; – the one
which (according to Isaiah 27:1) he killed the Dragon, as Marduk had
killed Tiamat – to prevent anyone from entering.”

This is all in regards to how Melkarth became the ‘King of the City’
which is extremely important, as this might have been the title
posted above Jesus’s head, as well as King David’s – and is the title
Godfroi de Bouillon assumes as ‘King of Jerusalem’ – and not ‘King of
the Jews’ or, ‘King of Judea’ or ‘King of Israel’. Consider the
fantastic encounter with a Cherub that David has in Jerusalem after
he made it his capitol, this perhaps the Shekinah, the living
presence of God, who slays thousand in this city, wrecks holy hell!

If Melkarth is ‘Rex Mundi’ then who ever becomes ‘King of the City’
may become ‘King of the World’. And, whoever is Rex Mundi, may come
and go in and out of Paradise as they please. Solomon seemingly had
this privilege, as did the last King of Judea – before Jesus, who we
all know makes the same claim. Rex Mundi ‘The Fallen Cherub’ has
preprared the way, he a bit scorched for his efforts, looking like
the devil – even that ol Red Serpent – Lucifer! You don’t beleive in
Satan do you?

Jon Presco

 

 

prosemont@yahoo.com

Feb 27, 2001

I don’t know about my fellow posters, but our posting are getting
HOT, as in ‘Hide and God Seek’. It is good to think aloud. Didn’t
Mohamed ascend from the ‘Rock of Sion’ – to Paradise?!! Is there a
passage of some kind? “Heaven can be forced.”

Here is the core of the Judaic religion, in regards to the birth of
Samson, Judges 13 – a must read, for a Cherub ascends to heaven from
a rock – in the flames from the altar! He does not give his name. Is
he the Shekinah? And, is the Shekinah ‘The Dragon’?

“Why askest thou after my name, seeing it is secret?
So, Manoah took a kid with a meat offering, and offered it on the
rock unto the Lord: and the angel did wonderously; and Manoah and his
wife looked on. For it came to pass, when the flame went up toward
heaven off the altar, the angel of the Lord ascended in the flame of
the altar.”

If this angel’s name is, Melkarth, then a great Biblical riddle has
been solved. Samson’s mother’s name is also not given. No doubt,
those who have studied these passages, may have concluded there was
was a ‘Way’ a passage to Paradise, one could take – BEFORE death, and
then return! No wonder the intence battles for this place, this –
Rock!

 

 

prosemont@yahoo.com

Feb 27, 2001

Briony; This information is great. I lost an earlier post about
the ‘Dionysian Masters’ being the forerunners of the Freemasons
written in 1820. It says the Scythians taught the core teaching of
the Orphics, a transcendance in the Eleusian mysteries that resembles
the Vadic cosmology. I and others are now looking at the mummies of
the Tocharian peoples being dug up in China along the silk Road, as
the Scythians, who are found nearby in a cave worshipping the Bhudda
with halos around their head. These are caucasians with red and
blonde hair, green and blue eyes, and apparently wearing tartans. I
will now look at the dates to see if they correspond with the
Elephantine temple. There might have been Pilgrims from Judea, the
Bospherous, and Scotland, thus the reason they wore tartans, the
Scots claiming they are descendents of the Scythians, and lived in
India. Exciting stuff, this ancient East meets West!

The Bhudda on his death bed supossedly showed his closest disciples
the secret of enlightnement, when he showed him a swastika on a gold
leaf. It will take time to connect your dots with corresponding
information from the West – or is the East!? I think we are seeing
the great serpent biting his/her tail. As for the statue of Ganesha
in the Holy of Holies, I was saying this might have been allowed at
the Elephantine temple, and not so in the Jerusalem. Your refecance
to an angelic female presence in a divine birth is right-on, as years
ago I saw the truth in the Birth of John the Baptist (Luke 3) being,
an angel appear to John’s father while performing his priestly duty

 

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Erling Johansen

Feb 28, 2001

Jon wrote:

“and the “COCK crowed THRICE”. Could this be the corrct
tranlation; “And Peter heard the crow of a Cockathrice, and knew he
had risen.”

Reply:

Are you out of your mind or are you overheating on searching for hidden meanings? For this to hold water , how can you apply ANY meaning to the possible translation of “cock crowed thrice” that MIGHTshould’ve been CockaThrice?

You obviously mean that there’s a matching expression for “COCK crowed THRICE” and “Cockathrice” in greek/arameic.

What’s “COCK crowed THRICE” in ancient greek or arameic, which is the language(s) used originally?

Now figure if CockaThrice is a greek or arameic word and return back with more interpretations.

Erling.

 

Hi Jon,

I am sure you are a perfectly harmless individual and I am truly sorry that
I have insulted you.

You brought up the subject of ‘Arthur’s Dragon’ all I wanted was some sort
of source or reference for it and up to now, it does not appear to be
forthcoming.

If you post to a list such as this and produce a statement like this, and
this is but one of many that you have made, you should not be surprised if
you are asked to back it up. Failure to do so will ultimately result in a
loss of credibility.

When I refer to you being woolly minded, I am referring to the way you jump
in and out of topic and your writing starts to become incomprehensible. I
confess that I haven’t even the vaguest clue what the following post is
about.

I have some knowledge of the historical Arthur and the Arthur of legends,
but I do not claim to be an expert.

Silas

 

prosemont@yahoo.com

Feb 28, 2001

Errrrrr…..O.K. I will admit I took some liberties here in this
cock&bull story. But, haven’t so many before me? The origin of the
cockatrice has multiple definitions, I finding 3 of them in my short
search. This is in regards to Jesus saying Peter will deny him, so
many times, he actually doing so, as the cock crowned, so many times.
(I guess I’ve learned my lesson about speculating, or committing
myself to a mythological answer) One answer says the Jews adobted the
Roman system of ‘watches’ where a cock is heard.

I still suspect there is a hidden meaning in this denial as the cock
crows. The Septuagint was full of Apocryphal works, that were stolen
and reworked, the authors of the New Testiment making sure Jesus
touched bases with as many of the Septuaginst prophesies as possible,
lest the True Messiah return and claim any of them! The origin of the
cockatrice is not clear. However, this one looks like that “DRAGON” I
see associated with King Arthur – in the head area, as in “head of
dragon”. I won’t give up, will I?

Jon

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flegetanis@hotmail.com

Mar 1, 2001

Jon,
One more question. Is english your native language, because to my
mind you wield it like a drunk wields a rapier. In the right hands it
is a weapon of great precision and utility, but in your hands it
becomes clumsy and ineffective. I wonder if there is a reason for
this.

Philip

 

Jon Presco

— In Prieure-de-Sion@y…, “Erling Johansen” <erling.johansen@v…>
wrote:

> Thanks, Jon!
>
> This was the final “proof. I believe you. Saw your web and read

about your order. You must be on to something.

>
> Erling.

 

 

prosemont@yahoo.com

Mar 1, 2001

Well, thank you very much, Erling, for you are saying (under the
guidelines set for me) that you find my URL you use as a referance to
support your theory I am on “something”…. un-amateuristic!

Would you care to make a uneducated stab at guessing what “something”
I am on? I may, or may not tell you if your guess right, as I plan to
publish a book, a whole study of that “something”, and how it affects
me and the world, and thus, I do not want to take away the mystery of
it all, betray my publishers investment in my – you know what!

Morton Smith all but concluded Christianity was based upon a mushroom
cult. Maybe I am on shrooms? Robert Graves suggests Ambrosia
the ‘food of the gods’ was a mushroom concoction. But, how valid is
his study?

Frankly, I would care to read what Robert Graves had to say on any
topic, then to hear what you have to say – which by the way, contains
nothing topical!

Jon

 

 

 

prosemont@yahoo.com

Mar 1, 2001

“A picture is worth a thousand words.”

Here is a picture of a comet, a Latin word that means “long-haired”
as in “long-haired Kings”

My deepest appology to Erlim for misreading him and his post. I
should have looked before I lept, I now seeing by his other posts he
was being supportive of my inqirery, in his inquiries.

I do not have to take a qunatum leap here to suggest these “long-
haired” comets have much to with the birth of Jesus, the
Merovingian “long-haired” Kings, the other celestrial births
surrounding the study of these Kings, the name Arthur, the Arcadians,
and Callisto who became the constellation Ursa Major, the Great
Bear. “There might thus be SOMETHING more then a coincidence in the
appellation “Ursus” applied repeatedly to the Merovingian bloodline.”

Does anyone know if Haley’s Comet passes through Ursa Major, and thus
is like a Star-son, the bear-child, Arcas, put safely in her cradling
arms?

Jon Presco

 

Hello John,

I must say it is hard to follow your reasoning at times – but I do enjoy
your postings and did so on the POS list when you were there as well.

I have seen evidence of some of what you say – I have seen the Greek
heritage spoken of in Ireland – via the Dunaire MagShamhradhain, I have seen
the references to Dragons, Griffins, etc – I have seen reference to the
Baron and his Templars – the book was written about the time of the demise
of the Templars. Does it refer to Knights Templar or have I different
meaning I do not know. I have seen reference to relation to Aedan
MagGabhran – who is a representative of one of the three septs of
MagShamhradhain/MaGauran/McGovern. I have also seen Lawrence Gardner state
that Aedens son – Artur (Art) MacAedan was/is the real/true historical king
Arthur.

Well my ramble is done, I guess this is a show of support – but please take
it a little slower with the shotgun approach to spewing the facts.

Sincerely,

Frank

 

Jenner

Mar 2, 2001

Jon wrote:

>In 1970 I delcared myself a Pre-Raphaelite artist,

Umm, I know this is nit-picking but I admit to being somewhat of a
pedant…

you can’t be a pre-raphaelite artist – they are all well and truly
dead – after all they painted in the mid 19th century. You can, of
course be an artist influenced by the pre-raphaelites or an artist who
paints in the style of the pre-raphaelites.

dresden

 

 

knooruddin@visto.com

Mar 2, 2001

This reminded me of the many surrahs in the Qur’an about rain (most
being “signs”, and I suppose allegories for some other meaning than
literal, too). Here’s one that has some of the symbolism of the
Grail in it, too, does it not? (E.g., isn’t there something about the
pomegranate and the grapes?)

(I got this off of http://www.islam.org on the Qur’an search)

Yusuf Ali’s interpretation of the Qur’an in Surrah 6:99:

It is He Who sendeth down rain from the skies: with it We produce
vegetation of all kinds: from some We produce green (crops), out of
which We produce grain, heaped up (at harvest); out of the date-palm
and its sheaths (or spathes) (come) clusters of dates hanging low and
near: and (then there are) gardens of grapes, and olives, and
pomegranates, each similar (in kind) yet different (in variety): when
they begin to bear fruit, feast your eyes with the fruit and the
ripeness thereof. Behold! in these things there are signs for people
who believe.

Karen

 

 

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knooruddin@visto.com

Mar 2, 2001

Jon, I hope you don’t get banned from this list. If I don’t
understand all of what you’re saying (or if you are mistaken anywhere
maybe people will be patient and continue to correct any errors), I
still like reading your posts. You have a style all your own which I
enjoy.

Karen

 

prosemont@yahoo.com

Mar 2, 2001

Thank you Karen, and Duke for your encouragement. The minstrels in
their recitals only strummed their lyre during an emotional stansa,
when the tension got too high. Robert Graves says this about poetry;

“Poets are born, not made. The deduction that one is expected to draw
fom this is that the nature of poetry is too mysterious to bear
examination: is indeed a greater mystery even than royalty, since
kings can be made as well as born and the quoted utterances of a dead
king carry little weight either in the pulpit or the public bar.”

To have read Gwion Bach titling King David a “prophet”, opened up my
eyes and ears, as this is not a known title for him. But, upon
careful examination one sees he is a prophet, a Nazarite prophet, who
plays the lyre and sooths ‘Mad’ King Saul – as well as drive him
futher into madness no doubt by the riddles in his Psalms, his
poetry. David was a proficiant composer of Pslams, a fact many
Biblical scholars overlook. Most Jewish Propehts are insulting as all
get out, thus they perhaps done away with, because they got real good
at it? Saul chased David all over God’s kingdom trying to run him
through with a LANCE!

However, David did sneak into a cave and cut the HEM of Saul’s robe,
that may have had the same tassles on them the Merovingians had on
their robes. Tassles are representatvie of tits. I will search my
notes. I sign off for the day with this stansa from ‘The Kassidah’ by

knooruddin@visto.com

Mar 2, 2001

Are poets merely born or are they gifted and mindful of Who it is
that gave them that gift? I never thought much before about whether
David was a prophet or not. In other words, I can’t recall ever
wondering about that or taking note of that while reading the Bible;
just recall “David? Pslams…” “David/Psalms”…

Anyway, thought you would like to know that since the time of the
revelation of the Qur’an, at least (1400 years or so), David (may
peace be upon him) has been considered one of the great prophets in
Islam. Here are some of the ayat specifically naming him a prophet
or regarding him by name. (Again from Yusuf Ali’s interpretation into
English. I prefer Muhammad Asad’s whose is supposed to be the best
interpretation into English by far to date, but have not found that
anywhere on line yet. It’s quicker to cut and paste from
IslamiCity). Look… I see more similarities with what I am learning
about the bloodline and grail stories (symbolism?). I would be
interested to learn if any of you see any similarities here. It has
been suggested to me by at least one on the “quest” that Muhammad was
taught “the way” by one of the “Gabriels” and that is why there is
such a strong corellation here. I don’t know about that and I think
it comes via Gardner proponents, but…the Lord works in mysterious
ways and who knows if the Gabriels knew of way of psychic
transference of knowledge… It WAS the angel Gabriel who always
brought the revelations to Muhammad, but not in the flesh. We know

https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/Prieure-de-Sion/conversations/messages/732

https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/Prieure-de-Sion/conversations/messages/733

 

 

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Poetry Is The Truth

Oakland was a Mecca for Poets.

Rosamond Press

miller333I’m still waiting for a call-back from Alan Fox after I left a message on his voice mail. I told him about my grandfather’s literary history. Royal Rosamond talked about founding a poet’s retreat with his friend, Otto Rayburn, a publisher and Ozark Historian. Rosamond owned forty acres in Arkansas. Rayburn asks Rosamond to contact his poet friends in California. Being a poet, I am sure Alan would be interested in this history. I am a poet as well.

My great grandfather was a neigbor and friend of Joaquin Miller.

Jon

According to my aunt Lillian, her father, Royal Rosamond, taught Earle Stanley Gardener the rudiments of writing. In a taped interview Lillian told me she would fall asleep in the Rosamond home in Ventura to the sound of Roy and Earl pecking away on the Royal typewriter. Gardener is the creator of Perry Mason, an old television series about…

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Bad Ass City

Oakland is America’s Bad Ass City. Next to Jerusalem, they are the Baddest!

Jon

The Turners

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Untitled-1Yesterday I discovered one of my great grandfathers founded a Turnverein Hall on Bush Street in San Francisco. This hall was a place one could go hear music and practice gymnastics. The Seamens Friendly Union met here, and the Vigilance Committee.  Plays were performed, and debates held. This is the radical root of San Francisco that I have traced to the Longshoreman’s Hall and the first Acid Tests.  The Turner hall offered music and other entertainment as an alternative to gambling and prostitution. My father was a Merchant Marine and would be pleased to know the first institution for furthering sailor rights met in the Bush hall.

All seamen are invited to attend at the Turn Verein Hall on Bush Street between Stockton and Powell Streets on Thursday Evening, January 11 at 7 1/2 o’clock to form a Seamens Society for the Pacific Coast.

The Vigilance Committee combatted corruption and violence. These were idealists that lay the groundwork for a city famous for it cultural revolutions.

“Flaunting their rebellious spirit, the gymnasts of Vormärz wore their hair long and sported large black hats decorated with a rooster feather”

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Above are my grandparents having picnic in the Oakland Hills. There is a sharpshooters rifle hanging in the tree.  Janke had marksman contests Belmont Park. Many Turnverein were Socialists and Marxists.

Jon Presco

https://rosamondpress.com/2012/06/09/william-janke-on-haight-st/

http://art.famsf.org/wa-janke-founded-belmont-picnic-grounds-and-first-turn-verein-bush-street-39933

“W.A. Janke, founded the Belmont Picnic Grounds, and the first Turn Verein on Bush Street.”

Yesterday I received information from Shirley Schwoerer of the Redwood City Library, that said my ancestor, Carl August Janke, was instrumental in establishing a Turnverien in Belmont, and the Bay Area. Was it the first?

“He erected the old amusement hall of the Turnverein, and managed this for several years.”

Janke may be the first real estate developer in the San Francisco bay area.

“In 1849 the family came around the Horn on an old Clipper ship, and Mr. Janke brought with him on the trip the material for six portable houses. He set up these houses, and at once engaged in a successful business, as a building contractor.”

This information confirms my theory that the Tanforan cottages in the Mission, are the Turnverein cottages that Janke brought around the Cape in order to establish a German community of Freethinkers in the New Western Land of the Free -free of church rule! The Jüdischen Turnverein was established for the same reason. For awhile Jews and Germans shared the same Turnverien in Berlin, and were seen as Liberal-Socialists. San Francisco is considered the most Liberal and ethnically diverse city in the world where folks from the old world can practice their traditions of total freedom. Hitler banned and persecuted the Freethinkers, and outlawed the Turnverein.

The membership of the new clubs was more inclusive, as the cor of students and academics which had made up the rank and file of the Turnverein in its early years was joined by a large contingent of craft workers, along with many Jewish members, often in positions of leadership. These gymnastic clubs were often closely aligned with workers’ organizations and democratic clubs with whom they shared a desire for reform and a rejection of traditional hierarchies.

They even imparted a new spirit to their gymnastic program by initiating training sessions for children and, far more radical in light of the times, for women as well. Flaunting their rebellious spirit, the gymnasts of Vormärz wore their hair long and sported large black hats decorated with a rooster feather instead of the more formal attire of the Biedermeier period.

Given the radicalization of the movement in the 1840s, it is not surprising that the German gymnasts were directly involved in the 1848 revolutions. Turnverein leaders won renown for their leading roles in local uprisings,

The Turnverein as an organization was most closely associated with the uprisings in Baden, the center of the radical sentiment in southwest Germany

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turnersturnernn

http://patch.com/california/sanrafael/history-street-name-the-only-remnant-of-sharp-shooter

TURNVEREIN SHARPSHOOTERS

The Home Guard Willing to Shed Its Blood but Only at Los Angeles The contemplated home guard of sharpshooters connected with the Turnverein Germania Is making but slow progress In getting organized. A minority of intending members met last night but failed to do anything. A score or so were willing to sign the roll to be forwarded to the adjutant general, but several others held back, not from lack of patriotism or want of sympathy with the United States, but for fear that In the event of the state’s accepting their services as an Independent company they might be called upon to do duty or fight away from home. These men hay* ties here which preclude their leaving their families or interests and they are unwilling to sign any papers which might turn out to be no obligation to leave Los Angeles and march to the front. They want to be strictly what the name Implies—home guard. As one man put it tersely, “I am for this country, willing to defend It here and shed my blood right in Los Angeles for the Stars and Stripes, but I’ll be goll-darned if I want to have it run out of my body at Milpitas or Sausalito.” At the next meeting, however, it is expected that so many will sign the roll that the sharpshooters will be able to organize.

Los Angeles 1898

 

The first organization of seamen in the United States occurred in January of 1866 when the following notice appeared in a San Francisco paper:

Seamens Friendly Union Society
All seamen are invited to attend at the Turn Verein Hall on Bush Street between Stockton and Powell Streets on Thursday Evening, January 11 at 7 1/2 o’clock to form a Seamens Society for the Pacific Coast.

This meeting resulted in organization of the Seamens Friendly Union and Protective Society. Alfred Enquist was elected president and George McAlpine, secretary. It was the first organization of seamen in this country, perhaps the first in the world. In 1875, the United Seamen’s Association was formed in the port of New York, and it sent a delegation to Congress to petition for laws to protect seamen. The delegation, according to a news report in The New York Times of January 21, was “graciously received by the President.”

No more was heard of this organization.

The Seamen’s Friendly Union and Protective Society in San Francisco did not last long, and the next organization to come along was the Seamen’s Protective Union formed in San Francisco in 1878 with 800 members. It, too, had a short life.

https://www.seafarers.org/aboutthesiu/history.asp

http://www.ohio.edu/chastain/rz/turnvere.htm

Seamens Friendly Union Society
All seamen are invited to attend at the Turn Verein Hall on Bush Street between Stockton and Powell Streets on Thursday Evening, January 11 at 7 1/2 o’clock to form a Seamens Society for the Pacific Coast.

This meeting resulted in organization of the Seamens Friendly Union and Protective Society. Alfred Enquist was elected president and George McAlpine, secretary. It was the first organization of seamen in this country, perhaps the first in the world. In 1875, the United Seamen’s Association was formed in the port of New York, and it sent a delegation to Congress to petition for laws to protect seamen. The delegation, according to a news report in The New York Times of January 21, was “graciously received by the President.”

http://www.digthatcrazyfarout.com/trips/trips_festival_history.html

In practice the event engulfed the two shows. Both America Needs Indians and the Open Theater’s cabaret theater were mournfully out of place in the rackety, echoing space of Longshoremen’s Hall. America Needs Indians was just a little tepee and some slides, so far as most people could tell. But there were things to do. Mikes and speakers and electrical gadgets strewn around. A light show with strobe. A booth selling books on psychedelic subjects, and another selling books about insects. There were Trips Festival T-shirts for sale. And a shopping bag full of Owsley’s latest LSD was making the rounds of the hall. But mostly it was unparalleled chaos in a crowded hall pulsing with undirected energy. A young woman jumped up on stage, stripped to the waist and danced until Brand got her off. This clinched it for the Open Theater, which was supposed to go on at ten__they weren’t going to attempt their nude “Revelations” in this wild energy. They read their sermons and got about halfway through the God Box skits when it became obvious that the crowd wanted rock and roll. They quickly brought on the Marbles, who had recently metamorphosed into a band calling itself the Loading Zone. On Saturday night the Tape Center was going on with films by the Canyon Cinema Group in something called “Options and Contracts at the Present Time.” The Ann Halprin Dancers, films by Bruce Baillie and Anthony Martin and a Vortex Light Box were going to be the visuals. Sound would come from a synthesizer invented by Donald Buchla, which would perform on its own and also modulate the rock and roll sounds of Big Brother and the Holding Company in freakish and avant-garde ways. The Acid Test would follow at 10:00 P.M. “Can you die to your corpses? Can you metamorphose? Can you pass the twentieth century? “What is total dance?”

Turners (German: Turner), are members of German-American gymnastic clubs. A German gymnastic movement was started by Turnvater (turners’ father) Friedrich Ludwig Jahn in the early 19th century when Germany was occupied by Napoleon. The Turnvereine (“gymnastic unions”) were not only athletic, but also political, reflecting their origin in similar “nationalistic gymnastic” organizations in Europe. The Turner movement in Germany was generally liberal in nature, and many Turners took part in the Revolution of 1848.[1] After its defeat, the movement was suppressed and many Turners left Germany, some emigrating to the United States. Several of these Forty-Eighters went on to become Civil War soldiers, the great majority in the Union Army, and American politicians.

The Forty-Eighters were Europeans who participated in or supported the revolutions of 1848 that swept Europe. In the German states, the Forty-Eighters favored unification of the German people, a more democratic government, and guarantees of human rights.[1] Disappointed at the failure of the revolution to bring about the reform of the system of government in Germany or the Austrian Empire and sometimes on the government’s wanted list because of their involvement in the revolution, they gave up their old lives to try again abroad. Many emigrated to the United States, England, and Australia after the revolutions failed. These emigrants included Germans, Czechs, Hungarians, and others. Many were respected and politically active, wealthy, and well-educated; as such, they were not typical immigrants. A large number went on to be very successful in their new countries.

SIU & Maritime History

This article includes parts of a series written by John Bunker, former Seafarer and SIU historian. It features, among other information, a review of the SIU’s origin and early activities, through World War II. It also describes the beginnings of maritime labor in the U.S. in the 1800s and early 1900s. The entire 27-part series was published in the Seafarers Log from June 1980 to June 1983.

A HISTORY OF THE SIU

by John Bunker

The Struggle Begins for a Class of Workers

For hundreds of years, seamen yearned to better their lot. From the whip-lashed oarsmen of Roman and Spanish galleys to the crews of modern windjammers, seamen were usually underfed, underpaid and overworked and considered workmen beyond the usual recourses of the law.

Along with the harsh and vigorous nature of their daily labors were the constant hazards of seafaring. Untold thousands of sailors have set out from port never to return, becoming victims of storms, collisions and that most dreaded foe of the ocean voyager–fire at sea. And in the pages of old shipping journals there was always this recurrent notice beside the name of a ship: “missing and presumed lost with all hands.”

The new Committee of Vigilance enrolled about fifteen hundred people that first day in 1856. Meanwhile a larger meeting place was secured at Turn Verein Hall on Bush Street and in that hall later that evening the committee met again and signed another five hundred or so men. After some discussion, William Coleman proposed dividing into companies of a hundred men in Roman style and forming them into regiments of ten companies each. Since this met with a general consent men were organized according to their number, from one to one hundred and so on until there were fifteen regiments. They were to select the best men, from a military standpoint, from each company to lead them.

Because there were many Frenchmen in the committee Coleman called for all the French speakers to assemble in the middle of the room and also divide into companies of a hundred men, and from each company select officers who spoke their own language. And then, because their numbers were somewhat less than a regiment, they were to form into a French Legion. This all met with hearty approval. The companies, regiments and legion were quickly organized, the officers selected and approved by the executive committee and within the relatively short time of twelve to fifteen hours the 1856 Committee of Vigilance was in nearly complete working order.

http://www.examiner.com/topic/committee-of-vigilance

http://californiamilitaryhistory.org/Sheman2.html

Letters written during the time of the great Vigilance Committee of 1856 at San Francisco, and containing some account of its work as viewed by an interested resident of the place, are rare in the literature of the subject, and are sure to be valuable. How much more must this be true of letters written under such circumstances by General W. T. Sherman. The case for the Vigilance Committee is authoritatively stated in the November number of this magazine, by the former president of the committee, Mr. William T. Coleman. Sherman’s relation to the committee has been described by himself in his “Memoirs,” and that account has led to considerable controversy.

The Governor saw the entire mass of people arrayed against the civil authorities, the only military force in existence sharing the feelings of the people, the cause of the civil authorities being a bare naked principle with two such wretches as Casey and Cora as its exponents. All this time the Vigilance Committee was strengthening its numbers, then 2,500 now 5,000, having at its head such men as William T. Coleman, the brothers Arrington, Flint, of Flint, Peabody & Co, Myras Truett, and indeed all the large merchants, active controlling members, whilst Parrott, Ralston, Drexel, Satlier and Church and most of the rich men are contributing means and countenance sub rosa. I suggested to Johnson for us to go right to their headquarters at the Turn Verein Hall on Bush Street, and we all concluded to go, Garrison, the Governor and his brother, and myself. We reached the hall about eleven o’clock at night, found it lighted up and a stream of people coming and going. . . . After a little delay we were admitted into a bar-room at the right, where we sat down and Mr. Coleman, President of the Vigilance Committee, sat down and had a very general conversation, in which Coleman said the purpose of the association was not designed to subvert the law but to assist it in purging the community of the clique of shoulder strikers, ballot-box stuffers, and political tricksters generally; that the courts and juries had become of no use, and that they must be purged or spurred on; that they did not meditate violence, and were willing to await King’s fate. If he dies, Casey to be tried and speedily executed. All this was fair, and we almost coincided with him in opinion. At first he intimated a desire that Casey should be given up to them, but Governor Johnson told him distinctly that he would enforce the law as speedily as its forms would allow, but he would never consent to Casey being taken from the sheriff’s custody; but that if the committee felt any uncertainty about Casey’s being safe in custody there was no objection to a few men of their number being admitted, who were to be considered as assistant-guards but under control of the sheriff. It was then agreed that if such an arrangement were made that the committee should pledge themselves that those of the committee so admitted should not attempt any violence or league with those outside, but if a change of purpose became necessary the committeemen should be withdrawn and reasonable notice given. Coleman then went into the large hall, and after some time returned with six other gentlemen, with whom further conversation was held, all to the same effect, and the treaty was made verbally, Governor Johnson telling them that he treated with them as individuals, and not in their capacity as a body of men leagued together for a purpose unknown to the law. We were there till half past one at night, and parted with a clear, distinct understanding that no mob violence was contemplated at all, and no demonstration on the jail should be made until their guard was withdrawn and reasonable time thereafter to enable the sheriff to resume the status quo. We agreed to meet at the jail at two o’clock to admit their ten men – the sheriff being at liberty to keep as many as he pleased. We went to the jail, found the sheriff disinclined to admit the enemy, but as he could not depend on the citizens to defend the jail, he became satisfied his only chance of life was to save time, and therefore consented. At two o’clock Friday night ten men of the Vigilance Committee were introduced, and a room in the jail placed at their service, and one or two of them were allowed to stand or sit near the cell door in which Casey is confined. Coleman and Truett came with their posse, assured themselves that Casey was there, and we all left, thinking that, under the circumstances, it was the best thing then at our choice. We all parted Friday night at three o’clock, satisfied to await King’s fate, and believing that the community at large would be satisfied.

The following is an extract from a letter, no date, from General Sherman to Major Turner of St. Louis, contained in a letter from Mrs. Sherman, dated May 18, 1856, to her father, Mr. Thomas Ewing. The letter to Major Turner, as appears from its contents, was also completed on Sunday, May 18, but was begun on Saturday.

I got C.K. Garrison to go with me, and we met the Governor and his brother on the wharf, and walked up to the International Hotel on Jackson Street, above Montgomery. We discussed the state of affairs fully; and Johnson, on learning that his particular friend, William T. Coleman, was president of the Vigilance Committee, proposed to go and see him. En route, we stopped at King’s room, ascertained that he was slowly sinking, and could not live long; and then near midnight we walked to the Turnverein Hall, where the committee was known to be sitting in consultation. This hall was on Bush Street, at about the intersection of Stockton. It lighted up within, but the door was locked. The Governor knocked at the door, and in inquiry from inside–“Who’s there?”–gave his name. After some delay we were admitted into a sort of vestibule, beyond which was a large hall, and we could hear the suppressed voices of a multitude. We were shown into a bar-room to the right, when the Governor asked to see Coleman. The man left us, went into the main hall, and soon returned with Coleman, who was pale and agitated. After shaking hands all round, the Governor said, “Coleman, what the devil is the matter here?” Coleman rejoined that “the people were tired of it, and had no faith in the officers of the law.” A general conversation then followed, in which it was admitted that King would die, and that Casey must be executed; but the manner of execution was the thing to be settled, Coleman contending that the people would do it without trusting the courts or the sheriff. It so happened that at that time Judge Norton was on the bench of the court having jurisdiction, and he was universally recognized as an able and upright man, whom no one could or did mistrust; and it also happened that a grand-jury was then in session. Johnson argued that the time had passed in California for mobs and vigilance committees, and said if Coleman and his associates would use their influence to support the law, he (the Governor) would undertake that, as soon as King died, the grand-jury should indict, that Judge Norton would try the murderer, and the whole proceeding should be as speedy as decency would allow. Then Coleman said “the people had no confidence in Scannell, the sheriff,” who was, he said, in collusion with the rowdy element of San Francisco. Johnson then offered to be personally responsible that Casey should be safely guarded, and should be forthcoming for trial and execution at the proper time. I remember very well Johnson’s asserting that he had no right to make these stipulations, and maybe no power to fulfill them; but he did it to save the city and state from the disgrace of a mob. Coleman disclaimed that the vigilance organization was a “mob,” admitted that the proposition of the Governor was fair, and all he or any one should ask; and added, if we would wait awhile, he would submit it to the council, and bring back an answer. We waited nearly an hour, and could hear the hum of voices in the hall, but no words, when Coleman came back, accompanied by a committee, of which I think the two brothers Arrington, Thomas Smiley the auctioneer, Seymour, Truett, and others, were members. The whole conversation was gone over again, and the Governor’s proposition was positively agreed to, with this further condition, that the Vigilance Committee should send into the jail a small force of their own men, to make certain that Casey should not be carried off or allowed to escape. The Governor, his brother William, Garrison, and I, then went up to the jail, where we found the sheriff and his posse-comitatus of police and citizens. These were styled the “Law-and-Order party,” and some of them took offense that the Governor should have held communication with the “damned rebels,” and several of them left the jail; but the sheriff seemed to agree with the Governor that what he had done was right and best; and, while we were there, some eight or ten armed men arrived from the Vigilance Committee, and were received by the sheriff (Scannell) as part of his regular posse.

http://www.sfmuseum.org/hist6/sherman2.html

Political power in San Francisco was transferred to a new political party established by the vigilantes, the People’s Party, which ruled until 1867 and was eventually absorbed into the Republican Party. The vigilantes had thus succeeded in their objective of usurping power from the Democratic Party machine that hitherto dominated civic politics in the city.[6] Notable people included William Tell Coleman, Martin J. Burke, San Francisco mayor Henry F. Teschemacher, and San Francisco’s first chief of police James F. Curtis.

Vigilante headquarters in 1856 consisted of assembly halls, meeting rooms, a military kitchen and armoury, an infirmary, and prison cells, all of which were fortified with gunny sacks and cannons.[3] Four people were officially executed again in 1856, but the death toll also includes James “Yankee” Sullivan, an Irish immigrant and professional boxer who killed himself after being terrorized and detained in a Vigilante cell.[3][7]

https://rosamondpress.com/2014/11/24/come-to-magic-mountain/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7kl6cCp_eWc

One prominent critic of the San Francisco vigilantes was General W. T. Sherman, who resigned from his position as Major-general of the Second Division of Militia in San Francisco. In his memoirs, Sherman wrote:

As [the vigilantes] controlled the press, they wrote their own history, and the world generally gives them the credit of having purged San Francisco of rowdies and roughs; but their success has given great stimulus to a dangerous principle, that would at any time justify the mob in seizing all the power of government; and who is to say that the Vigilance Committee may not be composed of the worst, instead of the best, elements of a community? Indeed, in San Francisco, as soon as it was demonstrated that the real power had passed from the City Hall to the committee room, the same set of bailiffs, constables, and rowdies that had infested the City Hall were found in the employment of the “Vigilantes.”[10

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Oakland Germans Co-Founded Israel

This is another book I got to write!

Jon

https://rosamondpress.com/2016/06/22/the-integrated-turner-community/

Muscular Judaism (GermanMuskeljudentum) is a term coined by Max Nordau in his speech at the Second Zionist Congressheld in Basel on August 28, 1898. In his speech he spoke about the need to design the “new Jew” and reject the “old Jew“, with the mental and physical strength to achieve the goals of Zionism. Nordau saw Muscular Judaism as an answer to Judennot(“Jewish distress“).[1]

The term refers to the cultivation of mental and physical properties, such as mental and physical strengths, agility and discipline, which all will be necessary for the national revival of the Jewish people. The characteristics of the muscular Jews are the exact opposite, an antithesis, of the Diaspora Jew, especially in Eastern Europe, as shown in the anti-Semitic literature and in theHaskalah movement’s literature. Nordau saw the promotion of muscular, athletic Jews as a counterpoint to such depictions of Jews as a weak people.[2] In addition, the muscle Jew is the opposite of the rabbinic or Haskalah Jew, the man of letters, the intellectual, who was said to be busy all his life leaning on his books and engaging in esoteric subjects, and therefore he doesn’t possess much strength and his muscles are weak.

Though Muscular Judaism was an idea practiced mostly by male Jews, Jewish women participated as well, especially in activities such as gymnastics.[3]

Dimond Oaktoberfest

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I just discovered the Dimond District of Oakland is celebrating Oktoberfest a traditional German celebration. The Presco Children spent much time playing in Dimond Park and shopped in Dimond where our great grandfather, William Broderick, and his wife, Alice Stuttmiester-Broderick, lived. Above is a post card addressed to Willie using the Dimond P.O. and the city of Fruitvale that is no more, it becoming a part of Oakland. This is a very rare address. I am going to investigate about donating it to the Dimond Association which saved the Dimond Post Office. I am going to try to make this P.O. a sister P.O. of the Eugene P.O.

I attended several Boy Scout events in Dimond Park where we swam in the pool and the creek. As kids, we built dams up and down Sausal Creek. Dimond Canyon was our backyard. There was a walkway from San Sebastion Avenue that took you to Park Blvd. that travails Dimond Canyon. On the other side is a trail that used to be a Stagecoach road.

Hugh Dimond owned the land where he built a commercial laundry plant that washed linen and clothes brought across the bay from San Francisco that had problems with a fresh and clean water supply. There was a dryng problem with the fog.  The clothes were unloaded at a dock in the estuary and brought up 9th. Avenue.

‘The Dimond’ is acquiring a identity if its own. We were an admixture of German families who came to own a fruit farm below ‘The Hights’ the Poet and Artist Colony founded by the Pre-Raphaelite Poet, Joaquin Miller who used to escort my grandmother, Melba Charlotte Broderick to San Francisco on the Fruit Vale Trolly. Mott had plans for Sausal Creek similar to the Woodminster Cascade that was the vision of Jaunita Miller who sponsored a play about the Pre-Raphaelites. Then there is the Janke theme park across the by in Belmont.

Below is a the image of Rena Easton that was made into a poster for the University of Nebraska Oktoberfest. We stayed on Congress Ave. The painting I did of my muse inspired my late sister, Christine Rosamond, to take up art.  It takes awhile for a city or place to be branded. My family history is now a huge part of that branding.

Jon Presco

President: Royal Rosamond Press.

https://rosamondpress.com/2015/02/02/the-arena-of-the-cosmic-event/

In recent years, some have started to include the article “the” in front of Dimond, as in “I live in the Dimond” or “Oaktoberfest in the Dimond.” Some long-time residents prefer the usage without the article “the”: for example, “I live in Dimond” or “I went shopping in Dimond today.” For them, saying “the Dimond District” is acceptable, however.

While San Francisco hosted its 118th annual Oktoberfest last week, Oakland celebrated its German heritage with its first-ever Oktoberfest in the Dimond district, centered at MacArthur Boulevard and Fruitvale Avenue.

The Oct. 4th event showcased local bands and breweries, community businesses, Dimond history, German food and dance, traditional “oompah” music and an open-air beer garden reminiscent of the many German American social clubs and entertainment halls that lined MacArthur Boulevard from the 1890s until mid-century.

Although the Dimond is known now for its diverse Asian and Latino influences it was once the center of the East Bay’s German American community. By the turn of the century, the Dimond and much of Fruitvale had a reputation as an area of German beer gardens, fruit orchards, dairy farms and parks, according to the Oakland Heritage Alliance’s newsletter.

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Greg 1954 in Cub Scout Pack Prescos 1956 Greg & Mark at American River

I am the third scout from the right. The photo above was taken by Melba Broderick on the Russian River. I am on the left. I look like my grandson, Tyler Hunt.

In 1895 Charles Tepper, a German army captain, bought land along Hopkins Street, now MacArthur Boulevard, just west of Fruitvale Avenue and built a two-story hotel, a dance hall, and garden surrounding these that shaded a picnic area. Nearby Tepper’s Gardens was Neckhaus Gardens, Bauerhofer’s Gardens and the Hermitage, which was famous for its “French dinners and dancing girls,” according to a Sept. 16, 1962 article of the Oakland Tribune.

While this may be the Dimond’s first Oktoberfest, Jean Langmuir, a librarian in the Oakland history room of the Oakland Public Library, also found a 1963 program for “Deutscher Tag,” or German Day, held on Oct. 13 by the United German American Society of the East Bay. The society, which still exists today, celebrated German American heritage with German big bands and patriotic songs on East 14th Street – International Boulevard.

Tepper’s was eventually closed by the enforcement of Prohibition. The Dimond Improvement Association, which sponsored last Saturday’s festival, pored over city archives to pinpoint precisely where Tepper’s beer garden stood in order to build the Oktoberfest garden in the same spot, according to librarian Kathleen DiGiovanni.

There, said the 1962 Tribune article, “gay merrymakers” ate bratwurst and spaetzle, danced German polka and sipped beers from Brooklyn Brewery on East 14th Street. Horse-drawn coaches and double-decker, mohair-upholstered streetcars of the Highland Park and Fruitvale lines delivered loads of revelers to the gardens’ gates and to the many German American businesses along now-MacArthur Boulevard.

Daniel Swafford, who is on the board of the DIA, said the association had been thinking of bringing back the beer hall tradition to the area for many years. After the success of the street festival celebrating the building of Farmer Joe’s on Fruitvale Avenue a few years ago, which he estimated 5,000 people attended, the association decided that an Oktoberfest celebration was a natural fit for the history of the area.

He remembered his grandmother, who had lived in the district since the 1930s, telling him stories of the glory days of the area, when it was an entertainment and shopping hotspot. The building that is now Farmer Joe’s was a vaudeville theater in the ’20s, later a movie theater, and the Dimond also featured an ice skating rink and bowling alley.

The building that was Tepper’s hotel still stands just behind the 2 Star Market on MacArthur Boulevard, which along with the German elderly home Altenheim, established in 1893, are the only surviving landmarks of the old German community of the Dimond and Upper Fruitvale. But with the revival of the neighborhood’s past social and cultural heritage, residents of the Dimond district are strengthening new communities in the area by bringing them together to socialize and celebrate.

It is named after Hugh Dimond, who came to California during the Gold Rush and purchased the land comprising the district in 1867. In 1897 he built a cottage that used the adobe bricks from the Peralta family’s 1827 home. The bricks were used again to build the Boy Scout hut that is still standing in Dimond Park. Oakland’s Camp Dimond was located at the head of Dimond Canyon where the present day Montera Middle School is located.

Dimond was originally a settlement distinct from Oakland, in an area called Dimond Canyon.[1] The Dimond post office was opened in 1891 and by 1908 had become a branch of the Oakland post office.[1]

A flowery description of the Dimond from 1896 titled “Dimond the Beautiful” says “Fruitvale is for beauty one of the notable avenues in this country.” 2

[Found two great old Dimond District photos (see below) from shortly after the turn of the last century.  Not sure which of the Dimond District neighborhood entries/pages each of them belongs, but will be happy to move them if some handy map expert points out the correct locale.][this is an ongoing issue that i have never felt like resolving 🙂 one day! i don’t think your sources made it over though, just the footnote. -gk]   [ Just an educated guess, present day foliage changes the skyline but the picture on the left seems to be where present day Lincoln Ave. intersects MacArthur Blvd [Hopkins]. The street at the bottom of the hill on the left, would be Champion St. ] [Hopkins/MacArthur continued up to the hill in the distance but veers left (the hill is Excelsior Ave) around to the front of the tall church looking building, which is (I believe) present day Altenheim Senior Housing as it was in the 1950s to present day. At the very bottom of Hopkins just past Champion St would have been the intersection of then Fruit-vale and Hopkins, the main shopping area for the Dimond District. le]

https://localwiki.org/oakland/Dimond_District

The name (originally Fruit Vale) comes from the many fruit orchards (largely apricot and cherry) which dominated the area in the late 19th century. After the 1906 earthquake, the onslaught of refugees from San Francisco caused a population boom, and the unincorporated neighborhood was annexed into the City of Oakland by 1909.

The Fruitvale shopping district is located along International Boulevard (formerly East 14th Street), from Fruitvale Avenue to 38th Avenue and is one of the major commercial areas of Oakland.

http://www.museumca.org/creeks/Book10SausWalk.html

https://oaklandgeology.wordpress.com/category/sausal-creek-watershed/

http://dimondoakland.blogspot.com/2008_02_01_dimondoakland_archive.html

https://fruitvaleoakland.wordpress.com/2008/11/19/a-short-history-of-dimond-canyon-and-sausal-creek/

https://sodpo.wordpress.com/news/

http://oaklandlocal.com/2009/10/local-community-residents-save-the-dimond-station-post-office-celebrate-on-youtube/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0a853Ui1RVU

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In an era of severe budget cuts, the Dimond Neighborhood Association has a success story it can happily tell: members led an effort to keep the neighborhood post office from being closed, and succeeded–with what the US Postal Service called one of the best organized campaigns they had ever seen.

A steering committee of 17 neighbors organized residents, who then, collected over 7,000 signatures (in a postal district with 12,000 residents), meet with city council members and lobbied everyone they could think of for help. The outcome: the closure was rolled back and the PO will remain open.

What’s sweet to me is not only how these folks mobilized and made it happen, but how they used their Yahoo groups, email, and tech tools to support the project. The photo album of the party and the YouTube videos are good reminders of how powerful these tools can be to tell a story–and they’re fun to see.

Congrats, Dimond!

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Back To Israel Oaklandanders

The Oaks Motel was built in the middle of Germantown. The Hell’s Angels at Kaspars were probably from German families that had a hand in the founding of Israel.

Jon

Moulin Rouge In Fruitvale

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There was a German club called The Hermitage that featured “French dancing girls” that may have been inspired by the Moulin Rouge in Paris. This Beer Garden was located in Fruit Vale, a haven for German immigrants. My kindred had a fruit orchard there.

Above is the Marriage Certificate of Alice Lillie Stuttmeister of Oakland, who married William Frederick Broderick of Fruit Vale, in 1897. Their daughter, Melba Broderick, married Victor Hugo Presco. whose father came from Bohemia Germany. Did William go to see the French dancing girls, and lewd sex acts performed in the gazebos?  This may constitute the first Bohemian scene for adults looking for a alternative lifestyle. Here is a Garden of Earthly Delights in the New World, that was closed down by the clergy and Temperance Movement. Here is the model for the Ghost Ship and other places I have blogged on. It is my intent to present this history to elected officials of Oakland, and bid the, to support  Oakland’s Bohemian roots, and make sure everyone who participates, is safe. You can see Tepper’s house in back of the stores on MacArthur Blvd. Joaquin Miller escorted Melba on the electrical rail seen below.

Jon Presco

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Charlie Tepper, opened a creekside hotel and beer garden on the land he bought from Hugh Dimond, at MacArthur between Dimond and Canon Avenues. (The hotel building still stands behind the shops at 2030 MacArthur Boulevard.) Many residents enjoyed picnics and leisurely afternoons beneath the trees of Tepper’s Gardens, next to the creek. On the corner opposite Tepper’s stood the infamous Hermitage House, which featured “French dancing girls.” At the rear of the hotel was a garden with two cottages and five gazebos, in which some questionable acts allegedly took place. Neighbors and church groups eventually pressured officials into closing the “pleasure palace,” and it was quickly replaced by shops. Nearby, other beer gardens, like the Neckhaus, nestled on Sausal Creek’s banks, and Bauerhofer’s (where a post office sits today), featured German bands and songs and an occasional brawl among patrons.

http://www.documents.sausalcreek.org/Sausal_History.pdf

http://www.wikiwand.com/en/History_of_Oakland,_California

http://kalw.org/term/fruitvale#stream/0

“It might be well to state right here that the Board of Supervisors is determined to clean out everything of a disorderly character in Alameda County.” The Clerk was directed to notify the proper authorities that the licenses were revoked and that no liquors can be sold at the resorts.

The men who were prime movers in this successful crusade were the Rev. Franklin Rhoda, William C. Ralston, F. C. Hinckley, W. S. Dunlevy and William Lowenburg, with the backing of all the citizens and residents in Upper Fruitvale.

Named for the orchards planted by 19th-century German settlers, Fruitvale was once considered Oakland’s second downtown. Prior to World War II, it had a very strong economy, as evidenced by banks, shops, a Montgomery Ward department store, mansions, and a rich inventory of Victorian-style homes. The war led to an economic boom that further benefited the district with many factories locating there. These factories created jobs and attracted large numbers of Hispanic and African American workers to the neighborhood. After the war, many of the factories closed and both Fruitvale and all of Oakland entered an era of economic decline. The growing suburbanization and

http://excelsiorcenter.org/altenheim-historical-highlights/

http://www.fhwa.dot.gov/environment/environmental_justice/case_studies/case6.cfm

2016 Oaktoberfest in the Dimond
Saturday, October 1, 2016 | 11 am to 6 pm
MacArthur Blvd. and Fruitvale Ave., Oakland
FREE entry, but drink tickets are available for advance purchase.

Oaktoberfest will bring world-class beer to the tented beer hall, serving steins of traditional German flavors and regional brew pub favorites.

Highlights include a traditional Biergarten, Eco Fair, Kid’s Area with Root Biergarten, German style homebrew competition featured in the homebrewers’ alley, and vendors from around the Bay. Celebrate Oktoberfest, Oakland style, in the Dimond at Fruitvale and MacArthur.

2016 Entertainment Lineup

http://www.documents.sausalcreek.org/Sausal_History.pdf

Between 1850 and 1859, Antonio Peralta sold off much of his remaining land, and the rancho soon became farmland. The soils that had been deposited over time as Sausal Creek meandered back and forth in its floodplain proved to be quite productive. In 1856 Henderson Luelling, a Quaker nurseryman, brought 700 cherry trees from Oregon and planted them in 400 acres he had purchased along Sausal Creek, christening the area “Fruit Vale.” Later he added apple and pear trees, and Fruit Vale’s orchards became well known. (One of these apple trees is still alive and can be seen today at 2125 Woodbine Avenue in Oakland.) Then, in 1859, Frederick Rhoda arrived, one of the first of many Germans to settle in what is now the Dimond District. On the 217 acres he purchased next to Sausal Creek, Rhoda grew Royal Ann cherries and, in 1869 when the Transcontinental Railroad came to Oakland, shipped them to the East Coast– the first California-grown fruit sold in the East. The resident told of hiking along a narrow road that wound up the hill, following the path of Sausal Creek. Near today’s Leimert Avenue bridge, hikers had to stop and pay a five-cent toll to continue up the hills!

Estate owners were not the only people who enjoyed Sausal Creek’s charms. Horsedrawn streetcars, common in the Fruitvale area by 1875, brought people up to Dimond Canyon and other areas in the hills for Sunday outings and picnics alongside the creek, where picnickers relished the delicious berries growing next to the creek. On one occasion, a streetcar on the old Highland Park and Fruit Vale Railroad tipped over the ravine in Dimond Canyon and rolled down the hill into the creek. Officials attributed the accident to a very

In the 1890s, upper Fruitvale, (from just south of MacArthur Boulevard north through the hills and stretching a few blocks to the east and west of Dimond Canyon), looked like a small German town. However, the population of the area was becoming more diverse: in addition to the Chinese who were brought into the area as workers, a number of Scandinavians established themselves in the Sausal Creek watershed. Many started dairies and feed businesses: the area was so rural that, while sitting in classes, school children looked out upon dairy cattle grazing in surrounding pastures.

In the late 1890s, one of the original German settlers of Fruitvale, Jacob Bold, built a three-bedroom wood-frame home on Minnesota Street. His brother, John Bold, was the proprietor of The Villa, a hotel and saloon at Fruitvale Avenue and East 10th Street. The Bolds played an important role in establishing St. Elizabeth’s, one of the first German Catholic churches in Fruitvale. Another German immigrant, Charlie Tepper, opened a creekside hotel and beer garden on the land he bought from Hugh Dimond, at MacArthur between Dimond and Canon Avenues. (The hotel building still stands behind the shops at 2030

MacArthur Boulevard.) Many residents enjoyed picnics and leisurely afternoons beneath the trees of Tepper’s Gardens, next to the creek. On the corner opposite Tepper’s stood the infamous Hermitage House, which featured “French dancing girls.” At the rear of the hotel was a garden with two cottages and five gazebos, in which some questionable acts allegedly took place. Neighbors and church groups eventually pressured officials into closing the “pleasure palace,” and it was quickly replaced by shops. Nearby, other beer gardens, like the Neckhaus, nestled on Sausal Creek’s banks, and Bauerhofer’s (where a post office sits today), featured German bands and songs and an occasional brawl among patrons. A home for elderly German people, the Altenheim, was built nearby in 1893. The home standing on the site today, however, was built after the original building burned down in 1908. The home’s residents today are of many ethnicities.

In 1934, a massive landslide on McKillop Road was blamed on Sausal Creek. The Army Corps of Engineers attempted to subdue the creek with concrete, and throughout the ’30s and ’40s, many more attempts were made to “control” the creek. The Works Progress Administration tried to contain the creek with cement “walls” and poured concrete in its bed in an attempt to slow its flow. The dates of these projects (1939-1940) were stamped into the cement and can be seen today at various spots along the creek in Dimond Canyon. Railroad tracks were used to create blockades in the creek, as people were attempting to drive up the newly-paved creekbed.

https://localwiki.org/oakland/The_Hermitage

JOAQUIN MILLER FAVORS BACCHUS

Poet of Sierras Signs Liquor Application of Roadhouse.

Oakland Office San Francisco Call, 1118 Broadway, June 29.

Joaquin Miller, the “Poet of the Sierras,” would let no thirsty man go dry. He has come to the rescue of Bacchus and to-day the name of the hermit muse was read before the Board of Supervisors as one of those in favor of having . a liquor license granted to the famous old roadhouse in Upper Frultvale, “The Hermitage.” . “

Fred C. Schnarr made application to be permitted to again dispense Intoxicants over the bar of “The Hermitage” -and the “Poet of the Sierras,” whose home is on “The Heights” back of the once lively resort, was among the 85 residents in the precinct who are not opposed to eeelng the doors / of “The Hermitage” once more thrown open to those [ who would be pleased to drop in and quaff a goblet of sparkling wine or- a stein of popular beer. There was a petition against granting Schnarr a license ” filed •with the Board of Supervisors. It contained 83 signatures. ~ .

In the matter of the applications for liquor licenses in the precincts of Fruitvale and Brooklyn townships taken up by the Supervisors to-day under the new local option law the saloon ; element appeared to have the advantage, their petitions overruling the petitions of the protestants in the number of- signers.

STII/L FIGHT LICENSE OF THE OLD HEBMITAGE

Matter of Granting Petition of Fred Schnarr Postponed for Another Week.

OAKLAND, Aug. 17.— The Inspecting of the names of signers on the petition of Fred C. Schnarr for a liquor license for the old Hermitage at Frultvale before the Board of Supervisors progresses with utmost deliberation.

.When the matter was brought up before the board thia morning it was asserted that among the signers was a woman and that Schnarr did not have the necessary six out of the nearest ten residents.

A strenuous fight is being made against allowing the- notorious place to open again, and every means is being taken to block the passage of vne resolution. The question of whether a woman could be considered a legal signer was referred to the District Attorney, while a survey has to be made to settle which are the nearest ten residents. In, order that this may be done, the question went over for another week. ‘Yi-,’v

MIKE PROTESTS AGAINST DIVES

Fruitvale Residents Describe Scenes of Revelry.

Homes Desecrated by Loud, Unseemly Brawling in Beer Gardens.

Oakland Office San Francisco Call, 1118 Broadway, July 15.

Residents of Upper Fruitvale crowded the Supervisors* room to-day to protest against the granting of licenses to the saloons and beer gardens, against whose disorderly conduct they have long been agitating. * :-…’ Citizens of the wealthy suburb appeared: before the board and described scenes of revelry and brawling participated in by both male and female patrons of tha re* sorts In auestion. V J.* . Complaints were filed against the places kept by Charles Tepper, R. E. Taylor ana Mrs. B. Walliser, and protests were before the board against the renewal of licenses to Peter C. Nielsen and I_ Faure. the latter the proprietor of the notorious Hermitage.

Rev. F. B. Rhoda conducted the prose-* cutlon against Nielsen and Faure, who were defended by M. C. Chapman. In thd fight against the other three places Snook & Church appeared for the- protestants and A. I* Frlck for the accused. Frlck later withdrew because the board would not order the cases continued on account of non-compliance with the legal allow* ance of time within which to plead. Lawyers Not Wanted. Supervisor Mitchell said that lawyers were not needed there anyhow, as there was already wrangling enough, and aa for the time limit the board was competent to go ahead with an Investigation one time as well as another. Frlck retorted that he was not there to wranglebut for the protection of his clients’ in* terests. The board proceeded with the Faure and Nielsen cases first. Chapman asked that the charges be dismissed, as they were not regularly filed and contained no specific complaints. From the worfflngf of the protests, he said, it might b« seen that the residents wers objecting to all the saloons In Frultvale, whereas the Investigation was directed solely against his clients. The board refused to dismiss the case and asked for testimony In support of the protest. Rhoda said he would put no witnesses on the stand. Chapman accused the minister of wanting a chance to heap . abuse on his clients. He again asked for a dismissal, but the board dl« rected Mr. Rhoda to proceed. Rhoda said the protest was based on two technical points— first, that Faura and Nielsen signed each other’s petitions; second, that neither presented an affidavit of good character/ •¦:.’ : – ;r>vSupervisor Rowe said that If tho pro* testants had any testimony to support their claims they must offer It at once. Ira L. Aymer was then sworn, and testified that he had heard of: the ill-repute of the Hermitage as far away as Los Angeles before coming to Oakland. He sala that hoodlums stood out3lde the place ana insulted passersby, both ladies and gentleDaniel Wilmore testified that -he ha* seen women coming from the Hermitase* In an intoxicated condition. He said that the worst feature of the place was tha crowd of tough young men and women who came there from Oakland and San Francisco. _ . ‘,’. *;’ : _ ‘ ¦”. Charles Reynolds, an officer In the Salvation Army, testified that Faure, hla wife and his sons were in the habit ot applying abusive epithets to the army people during their meetings. . He said that carriages brought women there at night. _

His Home Desecrated. v Superintendent William Rutherforfl oC the California Cotton Mills said that h# home in Fruitvale was desecrated by tha riotous drunkenness of the frequenters or the resorts under investigation. “It la a farce,” he said, “to come hers time after time and protest against this outrage. The Supervisors should long: ago have compelled the District Attorney to institute proceedings against -thesej places.” Mr. Rutherford said that recently ha had seen fighting going on outside the Hermitage and told of seeing a man and woman come from the place too drunk to For the defense .Chapman offered the testimony of Constables Jerry Quinlan •and Cramer, Policeman Gardiner, W. S. Dunleavy” and John Ferren of the Oakland Transit Company to the effect that the Hermitage was a quiet and orderly, place. The board next took up the complaints against Mrs. Walllser. Charles Tapper and R. E. Taylor. After Judge- Frick*3 ¦withdrawal Tepper’a daughter represented him. The testimony against these>-re-sorts was similar to that in the other cases. One man said he had seen girl3 standing on-chaira at Tepptr’s and kicking at hats held for them by their male companions, the latter shouting “Higher!” He had seen both, boys and girls Intoxicated there, x , The Supervisors took tha protests under advisement until 10 o’clock to-morrow.

Notorious Hermitage Among the Places That Lose Their Licenses.

Oakland Office San Francisco Call, 1118 Broadway, July 16.

The Board of Supervisors to-day closed five Upper Fruitvale drinking resorts, including the Hermitage,which for nearly twenty years has been conducted at Dimond with a notoriety which is State wide. The licenses of Charles Tepper, Mrs. B. Walliser and Robert E. Taylor were also revoked by a unanimous vote of the board.

Leon Faure, proprietor of the Hermitage, had one supporter, Supervisor Church, who also opposed the closing of Peter C. Nielsen’s barroom. But the other members of the board declared they would not make fish of one and flesh of another.

The Hermitage was not singled out in the fight of the Fruitvalers against the saloons, but the place was, unfortunately for its owner, among the group of resorts which the anti-saloonists had determined to drive out of business. The decision of the board covers all but one of the Upper Fruitvale places where liquors are sold. The Neckhaus Gardens were allowed to retain their license because no evidence of disorder was introduced against the resort.

The action by the board was a complete victory for the men and women of Upper Fruitvale, who have been battling against the hoodlumlsm, depravity and disorder which have marked the conduct of some of the resorts that have been denied licenses.

When the Supervisors convened this morning to render their decision the lobby was packed with an interested audience from Fruitvale. Chairman Mitchell called up the resolutions on revocation of the Walliser, Tepper and Taylor licenses. The charges made against each resort were sustained by the board, and promptly the five members voted to close the places.

Supervisor Church said he would not have voted to close Tepper’s place, except that the proprietor had himself said that he was going out of business, so Church was ready to close the place at once.

When the applications of Faure and Nielsen were read Church was in favor of granting the renewal of the licenses. He said no evidence had been introduced to prove disorderly actions. But the other four members of the board did not agree with their confrere, and they sent the Hermitage into oblivion. Nielsen runs a saloon in connection with his grocery. There was no special complaint against him, except on the ground that the citizens of that suburb had determined, if possible, to close all saloons.

As soon as the voting had decided the fate of the resorts Chairman John Mitchell made the following announcement:

“It might be well to state right here that the Board of Supervisors is determined to clean out everything of a disorderly character in Alameda County.” The Clerk was directed to notify the proper authorities that the licenses were revoked and that no liquors can be sold at the resorts.

The men who were prime movers in this successful crusade were the Rev. Franklin Rhoda, William C. Ralston, F. C. Hinckley, W. S. Dunlevy and William Lowenburg, with the backing of all the citizens and residents in Upper Fruitvale.

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