This extremely rare photo of the first west coast Black Mask get-together on January 11, 1936 captures possibly the only meeting of several of these authors.
Pictured in the back row, from left to right, are Raymond J. Moffatt, Raymond Chandler, Herbert Stinson, Dwight Babcock, Eric Taylor and Dashiell Hammett. In the front row, again from left to right, are Arthur Barnes (?), John K. Butler, W. T. Ballard, Horace McCoy and Norbert Davis.
Rosemary told me her father, Royal Rosamond, used to sail to the Channel Islands and camp with his friend, Dashiell Hammett who is seen standing on the right in the photo above.
A week ago I found a letter I wrote to Judge Richard M. Silver in 1998 and may be filed in the Superior Court of Monterey. Silver presided over the divorce of Garth and Christine Benton, and the probate of my famous sister. I was authoring my own Grail-Templar book – years before Dan Brown published The Davinci Code. Why didn’t I publish, is the question.
John Presco
A high court judge today rejected claims that Dan Brown’s bestselling novel The Da Vinci Code breached the copyright of an earlier book.
Michael Baigent and Richard Leigh had sued publishers Random House claiming that Mr Brown’s book “appropriated the architecture” of their book, The Holy Blood And The Holy Grail, which was published in 1982 by the same publishing house.
The claimants said Mr Brown – whose book has made him the highest-paid author in history – had “hijacked” and “exploited” their book, which took them five years to create.
But in his ruling this afternoon at the high court in London following a three-week trial, Mr Justice Peter Smith said the claim for copyright infringement had “failed and is dismissed”.
https://www.theguardian.com/media/2006/apr/07/pressandpublishing.danbrown
The Messianic Legacy[edit]
In 1986, Lincoln, Baigent and Leigh published The Messianic Legacy, a sequel to The Holy Blood and the Holy Grail. The authors assert that the Priory of Sion is not only the archetypal cabal but an ideal repository of the cultural legacy of Jewish messianism that could end the “crisis of meaning” within the Western world by providing a Merovingian sacred king as a messianic figure in which the West and, by extension, humanity can place its trust. However, the authors are led to believe by Plantard that he has resigned as Grand Master of the Priory of Sion in 1984 and that the organisation has since gone underground in reaction to both an internal power struggle between Plantard and an “Anglo-American contingent” as well as a campaign of character assassination against Plantard in the press and books written by skeptics.[9]
Though stressful, taking someone to court will get a dispute settled in a civil fashion.
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Godfrey de Bouillon Bogart and Rosemont
Posted on October 2, 2017 by Royal Rosamond Press
When I entered Christine’s home for the first time, Vicki and I sat in the living room. I asked about the large mural over the fireplace. Vicki got up and gave me a laminated piece of paper containing the history of this work depicting Godfrey de Bouillon entered Jerusalem. Godfrey has a foot on a dead Saracen. I had seen this work in the book ‘Holy Blood, Holy Grail’ a couple of months earlier. Vicki told me when our sister gave a tour of her home, she stopped before this work, and declared;
“And, this is my mad brother!”
Gotofridus Bullionius Rex Jerusalem.Regumque matres barbarorum et/ Purpurei metuunt tyranni Horat.
[after Claude Vignon]
I.I. Haid exc. A.V. [Augsburg, c.1760.]
Mezzotint, 400 x 270mm. 15¾ x 10½”. Horizontal centre crease.
Godfrey of Bouillon (c.1060 – 1100), one of the leaders of the First Crusade from 1096 until his death. He was the Lord of Bouillon from 1076 and the Duke of Lower Lorraine from 1087. After the fall of Jerusalem in 1099, Godfrey became the first ruler of the Kingdom of Jerusalem. From a series of mezzotint portraits copied from a set of small engravings after Claude Vignon published in the early seventeenth century.
for another in the series see ref. 2880
[Ref: 10488] £230.00
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Holy_Blood_and_the_Holy_Grail
The Mystery House
The world of mysteries and thrillers has produced some memorable friendship but perhaps none quite so distinguished as the one struck up later in life between between Raymond Chandler, the laureate of American hardboiled fiction, and Ian Fleming, the legendary English author of the James Bond novels. The relationship began when Fleming wrote to Chandler asking for an endorsement that would be used to help market the Bond novels in America. Chandler ultimately reviewed two books from the 007 series—Diamonds Are Forever and Dr. No—for The Sunday Times, and the two authors, both on their way to legendary status, struck up a warm personal relationship. In 1958, celebrating Chandler’s 70th birthday, the BBC asked Fleming to “interview” his eminent friend. The result was a rollicking, far-ranging conversation in which the authors discussed the state of the thriller, heroes and villains, the struggle for literary credibility, and how a murder is planned and executed. It would be the last time the two friends met before Chandler’s death the following year, in 1959. Fortunately, the conversation was recorded and made available by the BBC. It’s a treasure for readers and writers alike. Below we’ve collected the recording in four parts and picked out some of the highlights for transcription, along with their timestamps. Read on to find out exactly what the two authors thought of one another’s work, as well as how they believed the murder of Albert Anastasia was carried out.
What exactly is a thriller?
Jul 25, 2000
Hello. I’m new to this group. I wondered two things:
1) Is the principle directive of the Prieure de Sion today still the
preservation of “Jesus’” bloodline? (This is NOT about the
“Merovingian Dynasty”!)
2) If so, any idea how to contact them?
Thanks,
Hav’ah
Bob LeMaster
Jul 23, 2000
If anyone is interested in discussing the rapture and end times,
there is a great group called RaptureDiscussion. Come on and join
in, or just sit back and learn. Just click on below to join.
http://www.egroups.com/group/RaptureDiscussion
Were The Merovingians Nazarites
Posted on January 4, 2012 by Royal Rosamond Press
In 1987 I declared myself a Nazarite. Two years later I read the Book ‘Holy Blood Holy Grail’ The authors who inspired Dan Brown suggest the Merovingians were Nazarites. The word comb comes from comet. Consider the starry crowns the Frankish kings wore – with their long hair trailing from the stars above their heads. The Philistines found out the secret of their power through the betrayal of Samson the Nazarite after Delilah got him drunk.
Jon the Nazarite
https://www.theguardian.com/media/2006/apr/07/pressandpublishing.danbrown
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Holy_Blood_and_the_Holy_Grail
In The Holy Blood and the Holy Grail, the authors put forward a hypothesis that the historical Jesus married Mary Magdalene, had one or more children, and that those children or their descendants emigrated to what is now southern France. Once there, they intermarried with the noble families that would eventually become the Merovingian dynasty, whose special claim to the throne of France is championed today by a secret society called the Priory of Sion. They concluded that the legendary Holy Grail is simultaneously the womb of Mary Magdalene and the sacred royal bloodline she gave birth to.[4][5]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Holy_Blood_and_the_Holy_Grail
The 2003 conspiracy fiction novel The Da Vinci Code by Dan Brown makes reference to this book, also liberally using most of the above claims as key plot elements;[11] indeed, in 2005 Baigent and Leigh unsuccessfully sued Brown’s publisher, Random House, for plagiarism, on the grounds that Brown’s book makes extensive use of their research and that one of the characters is named Leigh, has a surname (Teabing) which is an anagram of Baigent, and has a physical description strongly resembling Henry Lincoln. In his novel, Brown also mentions Holy Blood, Holy Grail as an acclaimed international bestseller[28] and claims it as the major contributor to his hypothesis. Perhaps as a result of this mention, Baigent and Leigh sued Dan Brown for copyright infringement. They claimed that the central framework of their plot had been stolen for the writing of The Da Vinci Code. The claim was rejected by High Court Judge Peter Smith on April 6, 2006, who ruled that “their argument was vague and shifted course during the trial and was always based on a weak foundation.” It was found that the publicity of the trial had significantly boosted sales of Holy Blood (according to figures provided by Nielsen BookScan and Bookseller magazine[29]). The court ruled that, in effect, because it was published as a work of (alleged) history, its premises legally could be freely interpreted in any subsequent fictional work without any copyright infringement.
I drove down to Carmel to attend Christine’s funeral with Michael Harkins. Michael was a Private Detective, trained by Bill Lindhart, who was hired by Cayrl Chessman. Michael had done detective work for Bruce Perlowin ‘The King of Pot’. He was married to Bruce’s ex-wife. Oliver Stone’s people wanted Michael’s antidotes about his good friend, Jim Morrison. Michael was a good friend of the Beat Poet, Michael McLure who befriended Jim. Micahael was a big pot smoker, like the fictional character.
Michael offered to police the big party Mary Anny Tharaldsen and I had at her house after we got married. Shannon Benton met Mary Ann at my brother’s house, after our wedding. Shannon, was set up for an arrest. As we drove to Carmel, Michael was on the job. Pynchon’s movie ‘Inherent Vice’ will be out in two days. Above is the affidavit that Shannon’s aunt Vicki filed. Garth’s attorney, Robin Beare, suggested my niece be kept in jail to teach her a lesson. Michael helped find a buyer for Vic Presco’s family partnership prints. When Vic called Beare, she was shocked to learn he existed – and the 8,000 Rosamond prints produced for the three family partners, Vic, Vicki, and Christine.
What we are beholding here folks is a MAJOR FAMILY ART IDENTITY CRISIS, more profound then the identity crisis the Keane family had. With the success of the movie ‘Big Eye’, I can hear the rustle of the wings of the Gallery Gargoyles, as they swooooooooooop down to conduct another feeding frenzy.
Three weeks after my sister, the world famous artist ‘Rosamond’ drowned, the adult heir is arrested for trespassing and removed from her mother’s home in Pebble Beach. After Shannon Rosamond demanded her mother’s cremated remains, Garth Benton, set his ex-wife’s ashes out on the stoop, and slammed the door. There was a restraining order forbidding Garth to get near Christine who accused him of stalking and harassing her. Above is the affidavit Vicki signed.
It Passes – Lara Roozemond
Posted on August 21, 2018 by Royal Rosamond Press
It Passes
by
Lara Roozemond Art by Rosamond
It passes it passes but it always comes back because it's in me. I can drink it away but it does not drown I can push it away but my shadow catches it I can laugh at it but also stop laughing I have to accept it, but I do not want the truth to be true.
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Roozemond of the Imperial Riding Club
Posted on August 21, 2018 by Royal Rosamond Press
Victoria Bond attended Le Rosey, and was the epitome of a Rosey Brat, a truth she wants to leave far behind her. She had a anonymous patron. Some suspect the Agha Kahn took her under his wings. Her peers spread rumors, and called her a Royal Slut and Mistress of the one of the wealthiest men in the world. But, it was his wife who adopted Lara from afar, for all the right reasons. This lovely woman called Victoria
“Rose Mouth”
John Presco 007
Prieure-de-Sion Group
Posted on May 31, 2018 by Royal Rosamond Press
Here are more posts from the yahoogroup I belonged to just before my daughter came into my life. Some of the members had published, or, were about to publish. If Patrice Hanson had not began a confidence game with me and members of my family, with the help of her sister, Linda Comstock, I would have had my “rose line” out on the market before Dan Brown. The Hanson have kept me in the dark and off balance with the desire I owned to have a family. They put I and my grandson in suspence six years ago. I have not seen him for that long.
Jon Presco
Copyright 2018
https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/Prieure-de-Sion/info
This is a list for people interested in the crypto-historical reality of the movement known as the Priory of Sion. They are connected with the 19th century mystery of Rennes-le-Chateau. The group existed, of that small fact we can be sure; but whether it was a surrealist joke enacted by three Frenchmen in the 1950s or a 900 year old secret society pulling the strings of western civilisation is still open to debate. With renewed interest from the millions who have read Dan Brown’s ‘The Da Vinci Code’, along with the millions already familiar with the story through ‘The Holy Blood and the Holy Grail’ this forum exists to encourage rational and non-sensationalist debate.
Topics likely for discussion include, the Templars, the Holy Grail, The Merovingians, the catholic church and the literature surrounding this area of study. New directions welcome, naturally.
Our expectations:
There will be consideration for all members.
Flaming, personal insults, or profanity (of any nature) will not be tolerated
Group Information
- Members :179
- Category :Europe
- Founded :Apr 19, 1999
- Language :English
Been lurking for about a month since I unsubed to PoS — just found the
censorship to extreme on that site; plus the not wanting to open new
windows on old topics was a bore.
Just thought I’d throw in a personal tidbit regarding Sauniere. Way
back in the 50’s when I was sitting in front of the old black and white
TV having my morning cereal and watching old Fleisher Bros. (sp??)
cartoons they used to do these little “Ripley’s Believe It or Not”
segments. (I think this was in 1957) I’ve never forgotten the story
they did on this mysterious priest Sauniere. It focused on his wealth
and the mystery of how he acquired it. Over the decades, most unusual
for me with my Swiss Cheese memory, I had never forgotten that little
“news story” or his name. It was something of a shock for me when I
opened up HBHG and there it was, needless to say I was hooked. I also
had the same reaction to the story on the finding of The Dead Sea
Scrolls; I waited once again decades for the mass publication of them;
and I’m slowly working my way through the Nag Hammadi and The Scrolls.
Addressing the subject of the alternative histories and interpretations
of Christianity and Judism I do hope this forum will be available for
discussions of the same. I admit when I was on PoS some of my initial
anger about what I perceived as 2000 years of lies and deceit was still
rather intense; but “I’m much better now!!”
43Godefroy de Bouillon
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drskeet@xxxxxxxxx.xxx
Nov 30, 1999
Hi list members, I am new to this list but not new to the myteries we all seek to solve. I first became interested in this subject because of a genealogy study I was doing on my family. I was researching the name “de Bouillon” (My maternal line) and some really odd things kept poping up in my research. The Priory, Merovingian birthmarks, sangraal, etc. At first I dismissed it as fringe weirdness, but after reading HBHG and a few other things I was hooked. I can’t express my excitement that this list exists. I look forward to reading your thoughts and observations about the “Prieure” I have a ton of information of Godefroy I will share freely, if it will help anyone. I also welcome anything about St. Anthony de Padua (who claimed lineal decent from Godfrey via his Father Martin de Bouillon) thanks again for this list and am looking forward to your posts. DrSkeet
Blood of the Sacred, Blood of the Damned
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Paula Kutvonen
Dec 7, 1999
Hi,
I while ago someone asked about “Gabriel Knight 3 – Blood of the Sacred,
Blood of the Damned” game about the mystery of Rennes-le-Chateau. I�m
posting this to other lists too that deal with the subject.
Personally I liked GK3, but I don�t think it�s nearly as good as the
previous Gabriel Knight mysteries. They were darker and more supernatural
and IMHO written and designed better. However the reviews so far have been
mostly praising –one even called GK3 the best adventure game of all times!
I�ve collected a few addresses if you�d like to read more:
45Re: Welcome to Prieure-de-Sion@onelist.com
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Doc
Dec 20, 1999
Hello, like most of your other enquiries this message comes from someone
facinated by the activites of the prieure. I am surprised to find you
openly courting support on the web. If this is for real why on earth would
you wish to accept a total stranger into your group? It really can’t be
that easy! After so many years in the underground stream I would be
surprised if I was about to get up to speed on the real story of the Prieure
de Sion.
As a taster/tester please would you tell me about the Cutting of the Elm as
I was unable to get to the bottom of this when I visited Gisors!
If this site is for real – please accept my apologies for my cheekiness!!!
52Let us start a debate
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flegetanis@hotmail.com
Feb 14, 2000
I am presuming that everyone on this list is aware of the refutation given of the Rennes-le-Chateau mystery by the Time Watch programme in the UK, which stated that it was all an elaborate hoax and included a semiological explanation of the meanings of the coded parchments. I would like to know why people still refuse to accept this more than reasonable explanation.
Does anyone have any thoughts on this?
Regards, Philip
Reply
Digest Number 36
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TWOD@aol.com
Feb 15, 2000
Okay Philip I am game!
My first point would be who really gains from this fraud???
What would be the point of such an elaborate hoax carried so long?
Such incidents as the Cardiff Giant were clearly for gain and soon exposed
Who really has gained from this and why?
LCC
In a message dated 2/15/00 6:19:59 AM, Prieure-de-Sion@onelist.com writes:
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Dear Diane,
That’s a new one on me. Where did you hear/read it?
I would also wonder how anyone could know that the Templar wealth was
mostly in silver.My guess would be that most of their wealth was in real
estate, and that most of their cash would be out on loan or other
investments. That’s my opinion on why Philip found no treasure in the
treasury. My best guess is that the cash was mostly out on loans that
never had to be repaid. There probably is no lost or hidden Templar
treasure–in the material sense–except for records or artifacts. Their
most valuable legacy would seem to be a spiritual one.
Furthermore, Mexico is a LOT further from Europe than Nova Scotia, and
Henry Sinclair’s voyage to Nova Scotia didn’t take place til long after
1314. The above theory would indicate that he was not exploring at all,
but rather following a very old sea lane established hundreds(?) of years
previously. That’s quite a stretch.
Best regards,
Bill
63Urgent Help Save the Bears
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Tracy R Twyman
Jul 10, 2000
I know it’s off topic, but it’s pretty serious, I thought.
Fw:
Please read this and, if you feel strongly about it,
do the following…
We ask the Chinese government for compassion.
Today in China 10,000 (ten thousand) bears are kept
prisoner for extracting bile form their gall bladders.
The bears are kept in a horizontal position, in cages
that look rather like coffins . They wear a metal
collar and are held down by pressure bars. A catheter
is introduced into their body that continuously
absorbs the liquid from their gall bladders.. The
bears cannot change their position and remain in this
condition of permanent pain between 15 and 20 years!
https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/Prieure-de-Sion/conversations/messages/64
The Rapture
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Bob LeMaster
Jul 23, 2000
If anyone is interested in discussing the rapture and end times,
there is a great group called RaptureDiscussion. Come on and join
in, or just sit back and learn. Just click on below to join.
http://www.egroups.com/group/RaptureDiscussion
66contacting …
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havah@sstsystems.net
Jul 25, 2000
Hello. I’m new to this group. I wondered two things:
1) Is the principle directive of the Prieure de Sion today still the
preservation of “Jesus’” bloodline? (This is NOT about the
“Merovingian Dynasty”!)
2) If so, any idea how to contact them?
Thanks,
Hav’ah
Reply
https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/Prieure-de-Sion/conversations/messages/67
Nobody knows where it came from, who made it or what
purpose it
served. For untold years it lay in a corner of a room
in the old town
hall of Kirkwall, a painted scroll with mysterious
images and symbols
incomprehensible to the secret society of Freemasons
that owned it.
Now a Cambridge historian believes he has cracked its
ancient code to
reveal a treasure map that could indicate the burial
place of the
Holy Grail in Scotland. According to Dr Andrew
Sinclair, a graduate
of Harvard University, the artefact is also a
priceless “missing
link” between the Masonic Order and the Catholic
Knights Templar of
the Crusades.
It was in 1307 that 50 Templars, fleeing persecution
by the King of
France, sailed from La Rochelle with sacred relics
dating from the
Crusades. Some of them are said to have landed in
Re: [Prieure-de-Sion] Digest Number 46
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Hav’ah
Jul 27, 2000
Regarding Digest 46:
There is strong evidence suggesting that the 50 Templars of which you speak,
came to Nova Scotia, Canada (which is all Scottish Tartans and tartan
candles!). It is my belief, based on personal research, that these Templars
were not embarking on a “new venture” but rather, following the trail of
“someone” before them.
What did strike me in particular about this digest was the comment: “The
mummified head of Christ is among sacred items that legends speak of being
smuggled to Rosslyn by the descendants of crusading knights.”
Which legends speak thus?
Sincerely,
Hav’ah
Pierre Normand
Aug 5, 2000
— In Prieure-de-Sion@egroups.com, “Hav’ah” <havah@s…> wrote:
> Regarding Digest 46:
>
> There is strong evidence suggesting that the 50 Templars of which
you speak,
> came to Nova Scotia, Canada (which is all Scottish Tartans and
tartan
Why would French Templars of the early 14th-century have anything to
do with the presence of modern-day Scottish Tartans? French Templars
did not wear Scottish Tartans, and as far as I am aware, Scots did
not wear the now popular family Tartans until the 19th century.
Further, Scots did not settle what they named “Nova Scotia” until the
British took it from the French settlers (who called in “Arcadia”) in
the mid 1700’s.
–Pierre
William P Arney
Sep 15, 2000
Dear Terry,
Plantard’s been up to…dying. He died this year, either in Feb. or June.
On Fri, 15 Sep 2000 20:30:03 -0000 “Terry Melanson”
<guitarconspiracy@…> writes:
Kathleen
Sep 20, 2000
Greetings E-Group,
New to the group,just joined last week and have spent time cruising
the archives to see what has been up for discussion. Now its time to
jump on the bandwagon and make myself known. I’m trying my second
posting as the first one does not appear to have gone through….so I
hope I’ve figured it out. How difficult can it be ???
I’ve been following the Prieure-de-Sion since a few years after HBHG
first came out.Have read theirs and countless other books on the
subject. Although I do find the bloodline most interesting, I am far
more interested in their involvement with cultures, economics,
sciences, philosophy, etc. etc. and that they would appear to have
been involved and behind the scenes of many significant events and
people in our history.
Their trail would appear to lead to Nova Scotia and surrounding
areas. I see this has been up for discussion recently and if you are
still subscribed to this egroup Ha’vah I would love to discuss
anything on this topic with you. Westford Knight??? Newport Tower???
Oak Island ??? I think Canada has a far more interesting historical
background than our storybooks tell us and it is all tied into the
the Priere-de-Sion, Templars and Rennes-le-Chateau. Scottish templars
have been to Canada before Columbus and they have left their mark for
those with eyes to see….
Hav’ah
Sep 22, 2000
Hi Kathleen…
I suspected I’d find you here. I am in the other group too priory-of-
sion egroup.
See you there.
Hav’ah
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The Franks of Woudrichem
Posted on August 2, 2018 by Royal Rosamond Press
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We have arrived – alas! I am in the land of my people and the source of our storytelling. I own the world! I am such a lucky man. I know exactly what I want. I can see the boat I want to live on when I have the money from my movie.
I have a need to hear one of Lara’s tunes. Where to begin? Does life imitate art? I have watched Lara become an artist. It is like giving birth – to oneself! I hear the pains of her labor. She is vaguely aware I exist. But, we are locked in Super Symmetry. Indeed, she is holding the symbol of SS in her hands. When she turns it a parallel place is turned. What does that symbol look like? If you can see, then you know the end of my movie, or, the end of this little movie – that has no ending!
When I saw Lara’s movie ‘Unison’ I saw the Adam’s Rib symmetry, but had not found Amalie Noether until three days ago, thus, symmetry was already happening, except for the fact I am not young and handsome. This is why I get into trouble. I’m not supposed to be playing any games – outside the old folks home. I have to hand it to Belle for not being so prejudiced against old people, and seeing the symmetry in
AMBOSEESORBMA
The coat of arms of Woudrichem is symmetric. Why two fish? Because two rivers merge here. One river is salty, while the other is not. And, this is where the Quinotaur was born, and, Merovech a ‘Long-haired King’. I sent Lara several e-mails suggesting we are related, but, she is engrossed in her reflection in the mirror. I laugh! She has found no one who can equal her. That she can not get the attention of the Co-Savior so THEY can save the world TOGETHER, is how the story goes.
Below is a photograph my world famous sister took of me in her studio. She wanted me to be her first male portrait. When she got the film back there was this energy around me. She freaked! That we are kin to the actress, Elizabeth Rosemond Taylor, and Rosamond was the highest money earner of her day, means nothing to Ms. Roozemond, who believes she has all but failed in her mission in life. I couldn’t have found a more worthy Muse!
Lara is a perfect Victoria Bond, the head of BAD, who discovers everyone around her has been faking it, she ending up doing all book work, she putting all the info together and in order, because she is really good at this! She’s the only one who knows how to make coffee. LOL! This is why Myriam had to be. They compliment each other to the umpth degree. I love Yulia’s video.
Victoria looks up from her tedious task and behold Mryiam doing that shaky thing with the symmetric breasts.
“Stop taking to me with your boobs!” Victoria asks in disgust.
Miriam was hired to be Victoria’s bodyguard because Victoria refuses to even look at a gun. Growing up in the home of Christian survivalist, who love the NRA, she has no problem killing people. She is not given an I.Q. test because she looks like a Dumb Blonde, and, BAD thought it best to put her on the payroll because they do not want to be guilty of religious discrimination.
Yulia ROSE could be the Russian Jane Mansfield. Marilyn was friends with her daughter. Jane had a very high I.Q. and died a tragic death. I employ Laurel and Hardy, and TWO ROSES to tell my story. ROOZE-ROSE.
Oh! Yulia threw me off her Instagram when I suggested she did not have to pose with her mouth open all the time – like she is catching flies. I was trying to tell her she looks more stunning with her mouth closed, that the right man – will open. Don’t give away the prize, the happy ending.
Yulia is a Beautiful Creature who Bond is secondary to in a unselfish way. Miriam is the best Bond Woman – ever! We get to know her, and adore her, and not just watch a male Bond adore her – and fuck her! What a genius! When asked what her favorite food is, she says “banana”. The way she says this word renders banana the new Forbidden Fruit. The apple has had its day. Why women own all the erotic clichés that men can only borrow, is the story of The Fall from Paradise. Miriam Starfish Rose is The Return to Eden.
Christling: http://reader.digitale-sammlungen.de/de/fs1/object/display/bsb10180396_00001.html
I had already put down my synopsis for the ‘Royal Janitor’ when I saw ‘The Shape of Water’. I was stunned with a Symmetry Gun!
John Presco
It has been suggested that Merovech refers to the Dutch river Merwede,[2] once called Merwe or Merowe. Although this river was historically a main subsidiary of the Rhine, in modern times it is a tributary of the Rhine-Meuse-Scheldt delta, the area where, according to Roman historians, the Salian Franks once dwelled.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Merovech
Bill Arney, Hammett, Royal Rosamond
Posted on February 18, 2020 by Royal Rosamond Press
“I think it is good that Bill Arney, and others, step forth and
protect the era of Napoleon, but not from me, not at my expence, as I am beside myself to protect certain aspects of this era, one being the writing of my late sister’s biography, one of two in the works. Christine Rosamond Presco has sold more art then any artist alive or dead.”
http://www.mikehumbert.com/Dashiell_Hammett_16_Post_Street.html
Here is a paragraph from the e-mail I posted in Templar-yahoogroup in 2001. My seventeen year old daughter has been disappeared and is trying to get in the rival biography. I am defending myself from an attack by Bill Arney who came to San Francisco to “reinvent himself”. Ian Sinclair, and other Sinclairs were reinventing themselves and were employed by Dan Brown to reinvent Mary Magdalene whose scholarly tools were hidden at Rosslyn Chapel, the source of the “rose line” some say.
Da Vinci was a famous male artist. My late sister ‘Rosamond’ was a famous female artist. Bill, nor his crew of fake Franciskers, did not want to acknowledge Christine, or the fact Royal taught Erl Stanley Gardner to write. With the mysterious death of Tracy Twyman, I begin a new investigation into these mysteries that suggest Mary begat the Merovingians, one who is named ‘Rosamunde’. A ghost is summoned. Arney gets a lot of attention as a…..non-writer! He is a usurper. Some accuse Dan and his wife of eaves-dropping on our groups that I bothered to archive……some of it! What we said – is lost!
I was attacked by suggesting Napoleon was trying to reestablish the Merovingian line (rose line) with Josephine. The sec0nd War of the Roses was underway. Is Twyman a victim of this war? Was she following the descendants of Josephine like I have?
John Presco
Copyright 2020
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Empress_Joséphine
I think it is good that Bill Arney, and others, step forth and
protect the era of Napoleon, but not from me, not at my expence, as I am beside myself to protect certain aspects of this era, one being the writing of my late sister’s biography, one of two in the works. Christine Rosamond Presco has sold more art then any artist alive or dead. Considered a highly commercial artist, whose work appealed to women, I am in the process of changing that impressions, as there is something inately royal about her beautiful Rosamond women. Rosamond is found in the art collections amongst the truly great. If I can
prove my suspicions, then the Artworld will have in its midst a truly
historic woman artist, my late sister one of the few women to ascend
to such fame.
http://www.mikehumbert.com/Dashiell_Hammett_16_Post_Street.html
When the bed is lowered, it dominates the small room. It becomes easy to visualize Brigid O’Shaughnessy napping in Spade’s bed, with one hand – and a gun – under the pillow, as she was in chapter 10 of the novel.
To one side of the bed is a small desk that acts as a shrine of sorts to both Spade and Hammett. Belonging to Spade is his tinny alarm clock and his copy of Celebrated Criminal Cases of America, by Thomas S. Duke (both mentioned in chapter two), and the black bird itself. The typewriter, of course, represents the one on which Hammett wrote his most famous novel.
“We know that he left his typewriter behind,” Arney explains, referring to when the writer moved to New York in late 1929. “His papers show that everything Hammett wrote up until September of 1929 was written on one typewriter – the last item being a letter to his publisher sent from Post Street, where I now live. The next consecutive item is another letter, written in October of 1929. That is the first item written on another typewriter. Find that San Francisco typewriter and you will have something.”
https://www.sfweekly.com/news/the-ghosts-in-401/
Tracy R. Twyman was a producer of podcasts and an independent investigator into occult and esoteric history. She wrote at least one work of fiction and about 6 non-fiction books. In 2018??[citation needed] she began to research Isaac Kappy‘s claims about paedophilia in Hollywood[1] and was undeterred by his sudden death in May 2019. Two months later, she herself suddenly died. Someone posted a dead man’s switch video on YouTube in which she outlines some of what she uncovered, the FBI‘s pronounced lack on interest and the subsequent death threats made against her.
Like a lot of people, William Arney moved to San Francisco to reinvent himself. Before arriving here in 1981, he was a long-haired twentysomething from Peoria, Ill. Today, answering the door to his Tenderloin apartment, he’s a stout, tough-talking man of 45 in a dark shirt and a vintage tie. He’s quick with a laugh and smokes Camels. Any evidence of his Midwestern heritage has since sloughed off. His sentences slide often into hard, ironic wisecracks. So all those years of obsessing over Sam Spade have had an almost osmotic effect, it seems: Two decades after Arney bought his first fedora, the world of yeggs and hopheads and dicks and dames is now a part of his very bloodstream.
Which is fitting: Arney lives at 891 Post St., the same apartment building where Dashiell Hammett lived during the late ’20s and wrote the novels that define the American detective story — Red Harvest, The Dain Curse, and, most famously, The Maltese Falcon. Getting to Arney’s fourth-floor apartment requires entering an elevator much like the one we see at the end of John Huston’s film version of Falcon — the one Brigid O’Shaughnessy gets ushered into after Sam Spade refuses to play the sap for her. Yet unlike the modest but well-appointed place Humphrey Bogart’s Spade lived in, Arney’s home is a small studio with a wall bed, a 7-by-5-foot kitchen, a bathroom with cracking plaster, and windows that open to a noisy nearby fire station. But Arney has good reason to believe that his unit — Apartment 401 — is the same one where Hammett pounded greatness out of his Royal typewriter. A few years ago Arney invested in a Royal himself, and he prefers it over e-mail for writing letters. “People tell me, “You should use a computer,’” Arney says, “but I tell them, “Man, the ghosts like the sound of the clack-clack-clack.’”
Victor Hugo Presco lived at the Thomas Hotel, but was not there when a fire took many live.
http://www.gendisasters.com/california/4126/san-francisco%2C-ca-thomas-hotel-fire%2C-jan-1961
Black Mask Authors
Posted on July 28, 2013by Royal Rosamond Press
This extremely rare photo of the first west coast Black Mask get-together on January 11, 1936 captures possibly the only meeting of several of these authors.
Pictured in the back row, from left to right, are Raymond J. Moffatt, Raymond Chandler, Herbert Stinson, Dwight Babcock, Eric Taylor and Dashiell Hammett. In the front row, again from left to right, are Arthur Barnes (?), John K. Butler, W. T. Ballard, Horace McCoy and Norbert Davis.
Rosemary told me her father, Royal Rosamond, used to sail to the Channel Islands and camp with his friend, Dashiell Hammett who is seen standing on the right in the photo above.
Aunt Lillian told me she would fall asleep listening to Royal and Erle Stanley Gardner on the typewriter in the living room. Royal was Gardner’s teacher and a member of the Black Mask. I believe I can almost recoginize Black Mask authors under the tree on Santa Cruz Island sitting under a tree with my grandmother, Mary Magdalene Rosamond, who does not look very happy as she embraces a black dog. Who is that woman? Is she a writer? She looks a bit crazed, as does the guy holding a gun. Is Mary hearing some far-out and weird ideas around the campfire?
When I was fifteen Rosemary showed me about six magazines wherein her father’s stories appeared. There were several mysteries. I am going to send the camping photo to some experts. That looks like Raymond Chandler in front of the tent. Is he the guy packing heat?
Hammett wrote the Maltese Falcon that begins with a story about the Knight Templars. Was this a tale passed around the campfire on Santa Cruz Island?
Jon Presco
Copyright 2013
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raymond_Chandler
https://www.sfweekly.com/news/the-ghosts-in-401/
http://www.mikehumbert.com/Dashiell_Hammett_16_Post_Street.html
Sinclairs Keep Attacking Me
Posted on August 30, 2013by Royal Rosamond Press
“You have directly cut and pasted from my website – http://www.StClairResearch.com I’ve reported your website to Google and they’ve removed this page from their Google Search results under the U.S. Digital Millennium Copyright Act.
I’m now reporting you to WordPress as you’re in open violation of all laws regarding copyright infringement.
Steve St. Clair
St. Clair Research”
Above are photos of Ian Sinclair who worked hard for his clan to get me and another skeptic evicted from a Knight Templar yahoogroup. He did not like my posts that showed a bevy of real Knight Templars with the name de Rougemont, the speculative source of my family name Rosamond. Other researchers have pointed out the Sinclair family has no connection to any Knight Templar, but for the fact they helped persecute them.
No one cared about the Sinclair, or their DNA, until the authors who sued Dan Brown, suggested the Sinclair family was a Rex Deus family, and thus their DNA contained the same DNA that course through the ‘Son of God’.
To prove their divine origins, they fabricated a slick silicone funnel that they hope will slide newcomers past the doubters and distracters, down, down, down, into Clan Headquarters, where you are bid to Adore Them, and enrich their coffers.
This is harassment! They sell tours! These are salesman. Buyer beware. The internet does not belong them. It is not infected with their alleged Holy Bloodline. These are British Bully Boys up in their tree house urinating on anyone who come hither without a worthy gift!
It looks like they manufactured a facsimile stone to the one that can not be read that proves William Saint Clair was a Knight Templar. This is fraud – that I will report, and continue to report on.
I suggest certain members of the Sinclair Clan hire a boat and get their bully-ass over to Syria and try to stop the atrocity. Be brave!
Real British Chivalry is dead in the water. These fleas on the rats, have had their day, and are going down with the ship. Bon voyage!
Because the French are backing up my President, I will put the De Rougemont Templars in President Obama’s field of honor!
I am one man with one vote. They hide behind a curtain in Oz.
“If you were really great and powerful, you would keep your promises.
Dorothy, who used to be Rena Christensen.
Jon Presco
The Sinclair DNA Fraud
I will be posting on the Sinclair DNA testing.
Jon
WOW …..Shawn Sinclair ( Martin Adoption ) and Steve StClair together on a radio show The Hidden History Hour lol .I found the show to be very uninformative other than the fact that Shawn admitted an adoption in his family line..teehe I tried to call in but of course he would not answer
Have a listen here
http://www.blogtalkradio.com/sofiatemplar/2012/12/30/the-truth-about-sinclair-dna
The truth about Sinclair DNA
http://www.blogtalkradio.com
This show will discuss the new results of Sinclair participants and will feature Steve St.Clair. Arch rivals come to a truce for the better of the Clan and our historical responsibility of
http://www.stclairresearch.com/content/Sinclair-DNA-Videos.html
Before Langdon – I Am!
Posted on July 24, 2017by Royal Rosamond Press
I am a pioneer of social networking. President Trump is a presidential pioneer of social networking. I believe the rumors are correct – the Browns did eavesdropped on our eGroups and Yahoo.groups where we discussed the book Holy Blood, Holy Grail, the Knights Templar, Mary Magdalene, and the Freemasons. I introduced the cryptic study of Robert Graves, and thus I was Langdon before there was a Langdon.
I was posting back in 1997. There were many young women speaking their mind. I introduced Christine Rosamond to the them five years before Snyder’s ‘Guy Book’ was published. Tom and Scott were neighbors in Ventura, and lived next to Lillian. Tom depicts Scott as Rosamond’s Knight in Shining Armor – that she treated like shit! Shame on her! I bet that plummeted sales of prints! I place my late sister next to Washington Irving via the Buck Brevoort family link that I found. Below are posts from my Templar Art yahoo.group that I founded in 2001.
Above is a pic of me with my daughter and grandson who came back to me after the Snyder biography – bombed! If Bob Buck had suggested I apply for a grant at the Buck Foundation, then my daughter would have thought more of me. She is not a scholar. Nor does she read books. She loves to text!
Jon Presco
A social networking service (also social networking site, SNS or social media) is an online platform which people use to build social networks or social relations with other people who share similar personal or career interests, activities, backgrounds or real-life connections. The variety of stand-alone and built-in social networking services currently available online introduces challenges of definition; however, there are some common features:[1]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Symbol
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Holy_Blood_and_the_Holy_Grail
In a 1982 review of the book for The Observer, novelist and literary critic Anthony Burgess wrote: “It is typical of my unregenerable soul that I can only see this as a marvellous theme for a novel.” Indeed, the theme was later used by Margaret Starbird in her 1993 book The Woman with the Alabaster Jar, and by Dan Brown in his 2003 novel The Da Vinci Code.[19][20]
President Trump has repeatedly issued announcements and proposals over Twitter, during both the presidential election and the transition period, embracing the medium as a superior means of communicating with the American people compared to relying on traditional media organizations.
https://www.theatlantic.com/liveblogs/2017/06/donald-trump-twitter/511619/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yahoo!_Groups
Yahoo! Groups was launched in early 2001 as an integration of technology from eGroups.com and community groups from both eGroups.com and Yahoo! Clubs.
1998[edit]
Yahoo! Clubs was launched in 1998 as a logical extension of services that had already been developed by Yahoo – message. Unlike previous Yahoo products, this product was designed to allow much deeper levels of user control over creation, membership and overall direction of communities. Development was led by Doug Hirsch[6] (product management) and Matt Jackson (lead engineer), both of whom have since left the company. Yahoo! Clubs quickly grew to be one of the largest traffic-generating products within the Yahoo! network of services.
eGroups.com was an email list management web site. The site allowed users to create their own mailing lists and allowed others to sign up for membership on the list. The web site provided archives of the messages as well as list management functionality. Each group also had a shared calendar, file space, group chat, and a simple database. It was bought by Yahoo! and became part of Yahoo! Groups.
History[edit]
The service was started by Scott Hassan in 1997 as an email list archiving service called FindMail
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EGroups
http://git.net/ml/culture.templar.rosemont/2006-03/msg00015.html
I have never seen yet: I have heard the silence: it is I Cassandra,
Eight years the bitter watchdog of these doors,
Have watched a vision
And now approach to my end. Eight years I have seen the
phantoms
Walk up and down this stair; and the rocks groan in the night,
the great stones move when no man sees them.
And I have forgotten the fine ashlar masonry of the courts of my
father. I am not Cassandra
But a counter of sunrises, permitted to live because I am crying
to die; three thousand,
Pale and red, have flowed over the towers in the wall since I was
here watching; the deep east widens,
The cold wind blows, the deep earth sighs, the dim gray finger
of light crooks at the morning star.
https://www.poemhunter.com/poem/the-tower-beyond-tragedy/
widowson1@… wrote:
> Best regards,
>
> Bill Arney
> I hate to agree with Paul Smith (I REALLY, really do) but he’s dead
on here. Paula, just look at what you wrote above. The only people
that had even the most obscure connection to the Templars in 1430
were the Knights of Christ in Portugal. And even they (obviously) no
longer had any former Templars in their ranks by 1430.
> Best regards,
>
> Bill Arney
prosemont@yahoo.com
Aug 15, 2001
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— In templars@y…, prosemont@y… wrote:
Last year, around this time, a stone was placed on the grave of my
grandfather, Royal Reuben Rosamond, perhaps for the first time, as
after searching for his place of rest for over a year, there was no
marker to be found. As it turned out, his great grandson lived but a
quarter of a mile away from his lost kin, he stationed in the Air
Force in Oklahoma City. He was able to come and pay homage.Royal Rosamond was estranged from his family, thus I have been
working hard to connect his talented and gifted genetic material in
someone’s rosy tree. Royal was a self-publisher who went back to the
Ozarks to write about his ancestors the “Arcadian Irish” as they were
called due to their simple and meagre lifestyle, the kind of
simplicity Virgil envisioned in his Arcadian Poetry, that we see
depicted in the good sheepherd, David, and his descendant born in a
stable.While away, his wife wrote Royal a letter and told him not to come
home. She then went in the garage, pulled out boxes of his latest
book that was not selling, built a bonfire, and had her four beutiful
daughters fuel the flames with volume after volume of ‘The Copper
Indian’.I think it is good that Bill Arney, and others, step forth and
protect the era of Napoleon, but not from me, not at my expence, as I
am beside myself to protect certain aspects of this era, one being
the writing of my late sister’s biography, one of two in the works.
Christine Rosamond Presco has sold more art then any artist alive or
dead. Considered a highly commercial artist, whose work appealed to
women, I am in the process of changing that impressions, as there is
something inately royal about her beautiful Rosamond women. Rosamond
is found in the art collections amongst the truly great. If I can
prove my suspicions, then the Artworld will have in its midst a truly
historic woman artist, my late sister one of the few women to ascend
to such fame.A few days ago, thinking I was in a cricle of enobling people, if not
Knights, I gave a person I respected as a genealogist an opportuity
to help construct a genealogy for my sisters, my brother, my whole
family. What I got was an insult that in my mind was aimed at all
members of my family, who have suffered from mental illness, due to
the disease of alcholism. Christine was seeing three therapists when
she was swept off the rocks near Carmel, my niece, Drew, barely saved
from turbulant waters.Drew’s father was the grandnephew of the famous artist Thomas Hart
Benton who painted the same Arcadian people that Royal did, both men
coming from Missouri, the “Show Me” State. Drew can be considered
Artistic Royalty – in an American sence – that is, my sister was on
welfare raising her first daughter, Shannon, when she first picked up
a brush and tried to better her and her daughter’s life. She entered
one of her first oil paintings in a art show, and Priscilla Presley
bouth it, this leading to a contract with a gallery. Elvis Presley
can be considered a Arcadian singer. Real History was made that day.Here is the site where Jimmy Rosamond (whose daughter, Karen, is
Country Western Singer) post information on the Rosemond-Rosamond-
Rougemont ties to Basle Switzerland. Names like Ulrich de Rougemont,
and Fred/Frederick, suggest a Dutch-German ancestry.http://genconnect.rootsweb.com/genbbs.org/surnames/r/o/ROSAMOND/querie
s/10005That there is a Rosamond/Rougemont Coat of Arms registered in Basle,
suggests the descendents of Sargeant Rosamond were nobles, as not
everyone is allowed a Coat of Arms – correct? When I first pointed
out these royal people in the webpages I posted in this group, I
state that Jimmy Rosamond has made no cncrete connection to the
royalty other Rougemonts are connected to. It is not my fault if any
subscribers did not read my pages, thouroughly before they began to
insult me and my family. Due to the battle and war of words Mary and
Royal had, the history of Royal Rosamond’s family ties was almost
lost, there only a brief biography I found in the jacket of his small
book ‘At Martha Healy’s Grave’. Royal was born in a log cabin on the
Missouri River, the son of Thomas Rosamond, and, Ida Lousiana Rose.Here is my brother’s homepage, as well as my onw and Christine’s. We
grew up in real poverty, raised by our single mother, Rosemary
Rosamond. My brother feels his efforts have protected this era from
America’s enemies, and kept men in space. I am the Bohemian in the
family, the fare-thee-well….’The Dreamer’. Dreams are allowed in
America. For this reason I founded a new Templar Group dedicated to
the memory of my Rosy people.
http://git.net/ml/culture.templar.rosemont/2003-10/msg00005.html
http://git.net/ml/culture.templar.rosemont/2003-10/msg00005.html
https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/Templar-Art/conversations/messages/8
In IlluminAlch@y…, prosemont@y… wrote:
Last night, my Pegasus friend told me I am a Raven, according to an
ancient astrology of 22 signs, the sign of the Raven becoming
extinct. I am connected to the tribe of Dan and Woden who hung
himself upside dwon in a ash tree, had his side pierced with a lance
so he could own a near-death expepriance, journey into the Afterlife.
I was born on Yom Kippur, the Day of Atonement, and Ghandi’s
birthday. I had my astrology done twelve years ago in which my
astologer said this;“John, I have never seen a chart like yours. It begins on the exact
cusp of Aries and Pisces, at absolute 0, where in theory all charts
begin. In theory, you were not born. For the purous of giving you a
reading I had to move up the time of your birth, or in theory, you
were not born. As it is now, you barely escaped being a virtual
prisoner in this lifetime, that is, all the information you brought
to share.”A year before, as a sceptic, I had a reading at the Berkely psychic
Institute who read you as a rose under a sun. The first thing that
was said by a young woman; “You own your own creation…..you died.”The Guide to the Reading said; “Are we in heaven? Is this proof there
is a heaven?”In the second hour of the reading I got to ask questions. I asked for
them to tell me where I was when I died. They said;“You were on these beautiful rocks by the sea. You were carrying all
this guilt that was not your own. You were in much pain, carrying the
wieght of the world on your sholders. You just had to let it go.”I had fallen on some very dramatic rocks at the tip of Point Rayes.
One of my friend took me waste deep in the water to wash the terrible
wound in the palm of my hand, there too much sand in the water near
the shore. We were hit by a large wave and I was soaked. It was in
Feburary and the sun was setting. Cold and wet, I went into shock.I saw the Truth, all the captial T’s every monk had scrolled and
draped in green vine laying on the surface of the sea going over the
horizon into infinity. I saw the Lord of Truth. I saw, and
understood, many wonderous things.Be honest, and always seek the Truth….and thou shall find.
John Presco
— End forwarded messa
prosemont@yahoo.com
Oct 23, 2001
— In magdalene-list@y…, prosemont@y… wrote:
Princess Diana the ‘Rose of England’ is descended from the ROCHE
family, also the RHOS, ROOS, and ROS who are kin to the ROCHEFOUCAULD
family and DANGEROSE the grandmother of Queen Elanore of Aquataine
who is said to have forced Fair ROSAMOND to drink poison after
finding her way into her bower in the Labyrinth King Henry build
around her via the clue of a red thread. Prnicess Diana went to
finishing school in Rougemont Switzerland. Her quest to rid the world
of land mines should be carried on at RWF.John Presco
— In RLCDG@y…, prosemont@y… wrote:
I have come to the crossroads of my QUEST of ION (John) and now must
ask in all ernestness if the crosshairs have found me. I began to
research my family name Rosamond, after loosing my mother, Rosemary,
and my sister, Christine, the world famous artist who signed her work
with her middle name, my mother’s maiden name ‘Rosamond’. I had read
HBHG telve years ago, and had seen the name of the goddess,
Rothmirthe, and wondered if it was ‘Rosemerry’ as in merry-making and
making mirth. To discover the town of Rougemont is the source of my
family name, has brought me home to the family castle to reclaim my
lost family heritage.I come from a “roseline” family. My grandfather, the writer and poet,
Royal Rosamond (who taught Earl Stanley Gardener to write) was the
son of Thomas Rosamond, and Ida Louisiana Rose. My grandfather, Hugo
Presco/Braskewitz had a son named, Victor, my father. Braskewitz is
Bohemian for Ambrosius, or Ambrose. Hugo had a brother named, Oscar,
as in Wilde. Their father, Wensel Anton, came from Bohemia, and was a
Freemason, he naming his sons after two said members of the Priory de
Sion, one coming from Besancon.Frederick, the Bohemian ‘Winter King’ married Elizabeth Stewart the
daughter of King James, they living in Britain after the defeat at
White Mountain. Frederck was a Wittelsbach. Hugo, my father, and
myself have what is called a Habsburg lip, which is a genetic trait
of the Hapsburg, a protruding lower jaw and lip, that is found
between the sholder blades. The Bohemian Wenzel Anton Kaunitz was
chancellor to the Habsburgs, and personal confident of two GM of the
PoS, as well as Marie Antoinette. He married into the Orsini-
Rosenberg family.The de Rougemonts married into the Ferretti, or, Ferri family who
used to own castle Rougemont. I have come to suspect this is the
Grail Castle. I think it was here that ancient augurs of Moses,
the ‘Rose of Sharon’ came to dwell. I am looking at this name coming
from Aaron, it possibly his place of origin, aaron once of the most
mysterious people in the Bible. I suspect he was a Celt who
worshipped Rothmirthe who is associated with the ‘Black Madonna’ who
may be Mose’s sister, Mirriam. How about his sister-in-law, she the
sister of Aaron?Moses means “water-maker” as in the name RHADAEmaker! I suspect he is
of the ancient liniage of the Babylonian Magi whose augury kept
infiltrating the Judaic religion, later writers of the Torah going to
great lengths to dispell augury and all traces of the “roseline”
which was essential to these augur-astrologers who may have worhipped
the ‘Dog Star’. The cross of Lorraine was used to locate the
Merridean which I suspect is the cross found in the Rosamond family
crest, the top bar of this cross perhaps used to trace the arc of a
star, or, a COMET now and then, that appear near the horizon. I
suspect, the Mounts of Switzeland around Rougemont were used as
observatories, as well as ‘Templar Caeli’ the “temples of the sky”
which were used by augurs to sit within and meditate so they can
see ‘The Way’….the ‘Milky Way’? There is a site that gives account
of the well established Jews in Rougemont. It is with them that I
believe the ‘Comet Kings’ intermarried, they shown the secret of the
Sions in the Skys.The Templars never attempted to build a Temple in Sion, because they
already knew where several Temples of the Sky exist! As to what went
wrong at the elm in Gisors, it appears the nine Templar augurs did
not augur well the marriage of Richard ‘The Lion-hearted’ and Alice,
the daughter of king Phillip. As to the Templars becoming bankers, in
Rome augurs were consulted before every major financial transaction.
If you would trust these augur-knights of Marc Antony to tell your
future, then why not put your monies in their hands so they can
invest it in ‘futures’? Augury was the said “witchcraft” the Templars
followed!I read a small article about the ‘White Lady’ of Rougemont, and the
snake that went along with her folklore. Steve Mizrach and I had a
falling out a year and a half ago, he not being able to catch all the
roses I was throwing to him. He now has more then a clue. I have not
read his sites in over a year, and thus I am amazed to see we have
arrived in the same place, Mount Sion de Vaudemont in the Franche-
Compte near de Rougemont. We almost met in San Fransisco where a
group from the original PoS groups was meeting, I not able to attend.
I think it is time we true seekers form a united bond to keep
trespassers and disrupters from tearing these groups apart. They no
longer humor me! Humor does not work on them. I have no TRUST for
humorless people! NONE!John Presco
Copyright 2001
— In Rennes-le-Hoax@y…, prosemont@y… wrote:
To pick up the Red Thread of Ariadne where we left off – arcing
across the sky with a “Long-haired” comet with the Star-son, into the
waiting arms of Ursula, the Great She-bear of Foundlings and
protector of Berserks, the Arthurs who have worn the bear-shirt, who
have the strength of a hundred men, but yet, are vulnerable to being
beguiled by a woman who give them gall to drink, their strength
sapped, and their protection of their Kingdom – dispersed. But, one
day their strength will…..return!“Whom does the Grail serve?”
The Holy Grail serves the Comet Kings, who upon their heads rest the
Starry Crown of Helios. And behind these Golden Crowns trail the long
tail, the golden veil, the golden scotch-broom of the Sun-kings, who
became the Plantagenent Family. This is why they wore a sprig of
scotch-broom in their helmets, for they knew these Dragons were called
“brooms” in China, and they swept the stars out of the heavens as
told in Revelation 12. These are the ‘Dragon Born Kings’. The Holy
Grail is a Comet, the Chariot of Helios, that once stood outside the
Temple in Jerusalem. It is the Rainbow Bridge that ars across the
sky, taking Arthur to the Afterlife.The Curetes wore their hair in seven locks, and sacraficed them to
the Rising Sun. The Samsonian and Heliaeans sects of the Essenes
stopped worhiping at the Temple when the bowing to the rising sun was
done away with. The Therapeute of On-Heliopolis also bowed to the
rising sun, as I am certain did the Nazarites who sacrifced the locks
of their long hair. I believe they represent the sun-rays around the
head of Helios, that are also shown around our Lady Liberty. The
crowns of the Comet Kings also represent the rays of Helios. Consider
the Star and Sun-kings who herald the birth of the ‘Savior’.Your discovery, Karen, of an astrological Helios in a Synagogue, I
believe identifies the said ‘starry objects’ that King Hezikiah
evicted from the Temple, if it were not the Chariot of Helios itself.Its time we made a study-chart, showing all the elements we are
looking for at the core of these mysteries, for I think we already
much of the solution. The Dark Ones percieve this. We must see is
this is so. “Let there be light.”Jon Presco
Copyright 2001
https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/Templar-Art/conversations/messages/5
prosemont@yahoo.com
Oct 23, 2001
— In magdalene-list@y…, prosemont@y… wrote:
The Steady and Sure One, my Star, woke me early this morning and
suggested I suggest to this group that we work together to build a
Foundation dedicated to feminine energy in New York where once rose
two towers. Here can rise the Phoenix Bird from the ashes, and a new
hope for humankind that will honor and respect women, raise them up
from the shame-base dishonorable men have subjected them to. Here is
the ‘Rose of the World Foundation’.http://www.geocities.com/prosemont/Rosamond_Foundation.html
This foundation was concieved six months ago as a means to empower
young homeless women who have been driven from their homes due to
extreme abuse. It is dedicated to my late sister, the world famous
artist ‘Rosamond’ who drowned on her first sober birthday in AA off
the coast of Carmel. Her natal birthday is tommorow. I am seeking
help in building this page and proposal. I need text and links to
appropriate sites.Thank you
John Presco
prosemont@yahoo.com
Oct 23, 2001
Here is an excellent site on the Cross and Tree.
Jon
— In magdalene-list@y…, prosemont@y… wrote:
Thanks Chris. A well written site.
I have only glanced at ‘King Jesus’ so busy am I still in the Grove
of the ‘White Goddess’. I support your cause, to remove the shame-
based lessons that have removed all the human reproductive organs
from our Uninowlogy, or, Unicology? I awoke this morning looking for
a word that unites and empowers ecological issues with empowering the
Universal feminine energy – without shaming or castrating the
Unicorn, who appears as the ‘Son of Man’ in Revelations 1?…. not to
end the world, but to rekindle the BRANCH, the seven candles, the
starry objects (heavenly bodies) that hover around the Menorah? This
is the branch of the almond tree that represents Aaron’s rod in
bloom. I think Jesus touched a withered almond tree on his way down
from the Mount of Olives, and it took bloom. The sword in the mouth
of this angel may be the horn of the narwhale that became the horn of
the Scythian ass-unicorn. This ‘Son of Man’ appears to be an ‘Old
Goat’, thus he might be Melkarth, a demi-god whose once very popular
religion was erradicated? Hiram was a priest of Melkarth, the source
of Solomon’s wisdom. Jesus’s title ‘Son of Man’ has been amputated,
prosemont@yahoo.com
Sep 4, 2001
— In templars@y…, prosemont@y… wrote:
John the Baptist is the second coming of Hercules, and lived in the
Franche-Comte. Jason and Hercules were taught the Ogham by Cheiron
the Centaur, who taught it to the infant Zeus. Hercules was with
Jason on the Argos, thus the seal of the Templars is depicting Argos
the ‘Ship of the Desert’ and the lion is the Davidian Branch of
Nazarenes. Hercules half-brother was Dionysus (Bacchus). Being born
of Zeus’s thigh is a “virgin birth”. As a Star-son Hercules entered
the Labyrinth of the Serpent de la Rouge, and faced the Minotaur.
Hercules was made a god, as was Jesus, the Superman invented by Saint
Paul in order to overcome the super-heros of the Greeks and Jews that
appear to be one and the same. That Paul’s heros have no contact with
women, and are childless, is very suspect, especially when he depicts
the women of the Mediteranean world as captured and desexed, rendered
harmless and thoroughly shamed as the Nuns who haunt this now DEAD
WORLD like phantoms, they put in a perpetual mourning for the gods
and heros of old – slain by the ‘Pharisee of Pharisees’ with is
mighty quill!John Presco
Copyright 2001
prosemont@yahoo.com
Aug 15, 2001
— In templars@y…, prosemont@y… wrote:
Here is the Rosamond family crest that was registered in Basle. The
one on my homepage may not be kosher as I got it from Heraldry.com
that may not be an authentic source. How authentic our dreams are,
may not be able to be recorded by real historians. I am a authentic
Dreamer. *S*http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~rosamondgenealogy/
Here’s a good point…..All six members of my family suffered from
the disease of alcoholism, a genticly transmitted disease. Christine
drowned on her first sober birthday in AA. Mark and Vicki, and I have
been sober for over ten years. Half of my natal family has died in
the last six years. Due to my program of Recovery I am being credited
with saving the life of my friend who wrote General Eisenhower’s
biography, he having three weeks sobriety. If members of my family
can overcome a life-taking disease, achieve so much inspite of the
abuse and mental illness we suffered….just think what you normal
folks can achieve, who came from good homes, good backgrounds, plenty
of money – and esteem!Now watch, I will now be accused of having a genetic ADVANTAGE!
*LOL*
John
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Fwd: RE: Paula Stiles .- To The Moderator.
— In templars yahoogroups.com, John Ambrose <braskewitz y…>
wrote:
Nutiness, Frank! Have you read my posts today? Where are your posts –
on topic? You don’t contribute to this group, You just complain
and whine about what others post. This is a kangaroo court convened
to protect the status quo – who can’t stand the questioning!
Paul Smith has debunked much of the nutiness you have subscribed to,
and now you call for him to be censored. Shame on you!
How is it you respond to posts before they put up on the group?
Jon
TSJ <tsj t…> wrote:
I agree – the stuff that isn’t plain nasty by one is pure nutiness
by the
other.
Unless the moderators goal is to destroy the list the ‘problems’
should be
eliminated
Frank
—–Original Message—–
From: templars yahoogroups.com [mailto:templars yahoogroups.com]On
Behalf Of ian sinclair
Sent: Monday, October 10, 2005 12:20 PM
To: templars yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: Paula Stiles .- To The Moderator.
Andrew,
Paula makes some very valid observations, I believe that now is the
time to
put an end to this destruction, and only you can do this.
If the list continues in the same vane much longer there will be no
seriously interested people around to support the great work you
have done
in setting up this site. Like most people who have become sick and
fed up
with the constant insults to other researchers, I contact others
directly
either by private email or telephone, therefore the list misses out
on some
interesting research and points of view, but at least there is no
verbal
abuse.
Yours aye
Ian Sinclair of Noss Head
—– Original Message —–
From: “rpcv.geo” <thesnowleopard h…>
To: <templars yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, October 07, 2005 5:45 AM
Subject: Re: Paula Stiles .- To The Moderator.
> Well, mainly, because the bald-faced lies and the slander get very
> tiresome. And they don’t stop regardless of whether I post or don’t
> post or reply or don’t reply. They just keep going, because
clearly,
> I’ve hit a nerve. It’s mainly, I think, because I’m what these two
> bozos pretend to be–a genuine expert on the subject–and just by
> posting things, regardless of whether or not I engage them, I make
> them look bad. And since Andrew clearly can’t be bothered to do
> anything about them, I guess I have to just wade in there and
refute
> their nonsense, point by point, until they shut up. They are too
> intimidating to the newbies to be allowed to continue unchallenged.
>
> I can tell you one thing–the only reason you have me here is
> because I’ve been on since ’98, I’ve got a very thick skin and I’m
> too stubborn to leave. Plus, there are people here, like you, with
> whom I’ve had some useful, pleasant discussions. Unfortunately, we
> are very unlikely to get any other academic experts besides the
ones
> we have now. I’m not trying to read the minds of any of my
> colleagues. I just don’t see how I could possibly recommend this
> list to them. There is no way that they would put up with any of
> this and that’s a shame. Because they could be quite useful to this
> list and it could be useful to them.
>
> It is a great shame that we have two people here who make the list
> so hostile to anything remotely friendly or cooperative in the way
> of discussion. Unless the moderator boots them or unless they
choose
> to leave (the latter option being unlikely, since they both thrive
> on instilling chaos and bullying others), we are stuck with this
> problem. Ignoring it won’t make it go away. That, unfortunately,
has
> become all too clear in the past few months.
>
> Paula
>
>
> — In templars yahoogroups.com, “Graham” <widowsson b…> wrote:
>>
>> Paula,
>>
>> I don’t know why you dignify Paul by actually replying to his
> insults, they
>> aren’t worth the bandwidth downloading.
>>
>> Graham
“As a coincidence, my father’s mother’s maiden name, BRODERICK, also mean AMBROSE, a name that is said to stem from RHYDDERICK and means “son of Rhydderick”. WITZ means “son of”. Rhydderick Hael is King Arthur’s sword his RHODEMUND. My mother, ROSEMARY ROSAMOND, fell in love with a man born of TWO AMBROSES. Her grandfather, WILIAM ROSAMOND, married a woman surnamed ROSE. In theory, my father could have taken the name ROSEMOND, or ROSEMAN, denoting a man who married a woman named ROSE.
My mother was a double ROSE. A man can also be called ROSEMARY for the same reason. The name BROSEMAN is a form of AMBROSE, as is the name BRAOSE, also BRUS. Both spelling contain a rose. Robert Bruce of Brambler is the BRIAR ROSE. Fair Rosamond has been compared to `Sleeping Beauty’ and was titled a Magdalene. Royal’s wife was MARY MAGDALENE ROSAMOND. I have found a Welsh King named ROSE MARY. He is the father of the TUDOR ROSE. My great grandfather was WENSEL ANTON BRASKEWITZ, and married MARIE ROTH, another Rosemary, as Rothis a Rose name.
There is the name EVEREUX, also EVEROSE a named thatstems from the winged Goddess, Nike of EVROS. We might be looking atthe secret name of the Plantagenent family, and the origin of the surname PRESCOTE, as the first high king of England was AMBROSIUS AURELIUS, a Roman. My brother was named after Marcus. As a boy, MERLIN was name AMBROSIUS. This magician was a Foundling, meaning “unfathered birth” Dionysus, Llew Llew, Taliesin, and Moses `The Rose of Sharon’ were Foundlings and `Outcasts’. Both books of the Bible are based upon the story of `The Prodigal Son’ who, once lost, is now found even AROSE from the dead.”
Where does the term “roseline” come from, as applied to the zero meridian, in the “peedox”? We are given one answer, in a kind of pun, in that St. Roseline of Villeneuve has her feast day on January 17th. Dan “Beige” (I kind of like that!) tells the world it comes from Rosslyn, except, no, it doesn’t, and Rosslyn (Roslin) Chapel isn’t on the French zero meridian in any case. However, there is an interesting town that is on the zero meridian, named Rodez. It has a cathedral dedicated to Our Lady of the Roses, and is built of pink (rose) sandstone
.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rodez_Cathedral
Now, the name of the town is interesting. It (first Segdonum, then Ruthenium) is supposedly named after the Celtic Rutheni/Rhedoni, whose name literally means “rose people”, after the reddish color of their hair. (“Ruthenian” is also originally the name of the Russian Slavic people, too, but in exploring this side tangent I’ve only encountered perplexities, so I haven’t pursued it.) But on a 15th century map I once was perusing over I saw something else weird: the name of the town written as “Rhodes”. Now, there is something else weird going on here. It seems that there were two Greek colonist populations that originally settled in Celtic Gaul: the Phocaians/Massalians (who gave their name to Massalia/Marseilles) and the Rhodians, from the isle of Rhodes. The island of Rhodes was named after the Greek rose-goddess, Rhoda, her name literally means “Rose” (she was a nymph-daughter of Poseidon). It also had its own zero meridian; the astronomer Hipparchus proposed one going through the island. We know for sure there is another colony of theirs in Spain (Catalonia), today known as Rosas, but once known as Rhode. And it is also said they had a colony named Rhodanousia in Gaul.
http://www.arbre-celtique.com/encyclope%20…%20s-5571.htm
How interesting that the name of the Rhone originally was apparently Rhodanos. There are some who suggest this may be a hint of the Rhodian presence as well. What relation did the Greek Rhodian colonists have with the Celtic Gauls? Did interaction and intermarriage result in the “Rutheni” people? Could they have given their name to the “rose – line”? BTW, one final strange loop: Rhoda was supposed to be the bride of the sun-god Helios; St. Roseline’s brother Helion was the GM of the Knights Hospitaller.
http://andrewgough.co.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=2027
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Salian settlement in Toxandria, where they had recently settled or been settled in 358, when Julian the Apostate made them dediticii.
The Salian Franks, also called the Salians (Latin: Salii; Greek: Σάλιοι Salioi), were a northwestern subgroup of the earliest Franks who first appear in the historical records in the third century.
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Origins and early history[edit]
Like the other Franks in this period, the Salian Franks were a Germanic people living near the river Rhine, which had long been a militarized border. The Salians, unlike other Franks, first appear living inside the Roman Empire, living in the Rhine delta in the modern Netherlands. In modern works they are frequently contrasted with their neighbours to the east, known as the Rhineland or Ripuarian Franks, who eventually held the Roman city of Cologne, in modern Germany. Exactly how the Franks in these areas were politically connected or separated, and how many groups there were, is unknown until the time when they all fell under the reign of Clovis I. A much later author, Gregory of Tours, said that in old records he found it seemed the Franks had once had kinglets (reguli) in each city they held.
Although often treated as a tribe it has also been argued by Matthias Springer that this might represent a misunderstanding. All of the classical mentions of them seem to derive from one mention by Ammianus Marcellinus of “Franks, those namely whom custom calls the Salii“.[1] Ammianus, who served in the Roman military, reported that the Salii were pushed from their home in Batavia, into Toxandria (both within the empire), by the non-Roman Chamavi. The first historian to say that the Salians had been pushed into the empire from outside was Zosimus, but his description of events seems to be confused and derived from others.
The account of Zosimus, that the Salians had been pushed into the empire as a single tribe, is still often accepted.[citation needed] In this case, their homeland may have been between the Rhine and the IJssel in the modern day Dutch region of the Veluwe, Gelderland, and they may have given their name to the region of Salland.[2] It has also been proposed that the Salii might have been one of the peoples making up the large nation of the Chauci during the Roman empire, most of whom apparently became Saxons. (The difference between Saxons and Franks in the earliest records which mention them is not clear.)[3]
In 358, the Salians came to some form of agreement with the Romans, which allowed them to stay keep settlements south of the delta in Toxandria, between the rivers Scheldt, Maas, and Demer, roughly the area of the current Dutch province of Noord-Brabant, and adjacent parts of the two bordering Belgian provinces of Antwerpen and Belgian Limburg, the so-called “Kempen“.
The later Merovingian kings responsible for the conquest of Gaul are thought to have had Salian ancestry, because they applied so-called Salian law (Lex Salica) in their Roman-populated territories between the Loire and Silva Carbonaria, although they also clearly had connections with the Rhineland or Ripuarian Franks even before they conquered them.[4] The Lex Ripuaria originated about 630 and has been described as a later development of the Frankish laws known from Lex Salica. On the other hand, following the interpretation of Springer the Lex Salica may simply have meant something like “Common Law”.
Etymology[edit]
Various etymologies are proposed. The ethnonym is unrelated to the name for the dancing priests of Mars, who were also called Salii. In line with theories that the Salians already existed as a tribe outside the Roman empire, the name may have derived from the name of the IJssel river, formerly called Hisloa or Hisla, and in ancient times, Sala, which may be the Salians’ original residence.[5] Today this area is called Salland.
Alternatively, the name may derive from a proposed Germanic word *saljon meaning friend or comrade, indicating that the term initially implied an alliance.[6] In that case, the name may have originated in the empire itself, or the river and/or region might be named after the inhabitants (rather than the reverse).[2]
Culture[edit]
See also: Frankish mythology
Signet ring of Childeric I, king of the Salian Franks from 457 to 481. Inscription CHILDIRICI REGIS (“of Childeric the king”).[7] Found in his tomb at Tournai, now in the Monnaie de Paris
Apart from some isolated fragments, there is no record of the Salian Frankish language but it is presumed to be ancestral to the modern family of Low Franconian dialects, which are represented today by Dutch and Flemish dialects, and Afrikaans.
Before the Merovingian takeover, the Salian tribes apparently constituted a loose confederacy that only occasionally banded together, for example to negotiate with Roman authority. Each tribe consisted of extended family groups centered on a particularly renowned or noble family. The importance of the family bond was made clear by the Salic Law, which ordained that an individual had no right to protection if not part of a family.
While the Goths or the Vandals had been at least partly converted to Christianity since the mid-4th century, polytheistic beliefs are thought to have flourished among the Salian Franks until the conversion of Clovis to Catholicism shortly before or after 500, after which paganism diminished gradually.[8] On the other hand it is possible many Salians in Gaul were already Arian Christians, like contemporary Germanic kingdoms.[9]
History[edit]
Within the Roman empire, Germanic tribes had lived in the river deltas now in the Netherlands long before the names “Frank” or “Salii” appeared. The most important are known to history as the Batavi, a name based on the older name of the island they lived on, which is where we first find the Salians living. They were reported by Tacitus to be immigrants from the Chatti.
The first mention of Franks in the area was about 286 AD, during the reign of emperor Probus (276-282), when Carausius was put in charge of defending the coasts of the Straits of Dover against Saxon and Frankish pirates.[10] In the time of Probus there is also record of a large group who decided to hijack some Roman ships and return with them from the Black Sea – reaching the Atlantic after causing chaos through Greece, Sicily and Gibraltar.[11] It has been proposed that the meaning of the term Frank changed over time, and that these pirate Franks were actually Frisii, or some other coastal people.[12] Centuries before the Vikings, the term “Saxon” came to refer to coastal Germanic groups specialized in raiding Roman territories by boat, whereas the Franks were strongly associated with the inland Rhine region.
In the later period when the Salians first appear in the record, the term Frank was not associated with seafaring or coastal tribes. Their origins before they lived in Batavia are uncertain. Much later, it was only Zosimus, and not Ammianus Marcellinus whose work he possibly partly followed, who claimed that the Salians had once lived under the same name outside the Roman empire, saying that they had been forced away by Saxons, and had come to share control of Batavia with the Romans. Whatever their origins, Zosimus says they were being pushed out of Batavia by a Saxon group known as the “Kouadoi”, a Greek spelling of “Quadi” which some authors believe might be a misunderstanding for the Frankish Chamavi, who were mentioned by Ammianus.[13]
According to Zosimus, these Saxons had used boats on the Rhine to get around other Frankish tribes who effectively protected the Roman frontier, and into the Roman river delta. Julian took the opportunity to allow the Salii to settle in Toxandria, south of Batavia, where they had previously been expelled:
“[Julian] commanded his army to attack them briskly; but not to kill any of the Salii, or prevent them from entering the Roman territories, because they came not as enemies, but were forced there […] As soon as the Salii heard of the kindness of emperor Julian the Apostate, some of them went with their king into the Roman territory, and others fled to the extremity of their country, but all humbly committed their lives and fortunes to Caesar’s gracious protection.”[14]
The Salians were then brought into Roman units defending the empire from other Frankish raiders. Ammianus Marcellinus on the other hand mentions the Chamavi, normally considered Frankish, as the Germanic tribe who had entered the empire in this area at this time. Unlike the Salii, these Chamavi were expelled from Roman lands, though they clearly lived close by, where their grain was disappointingly unready for Roman use.[15]
In a poem from 400 Claudian celebrates Stilicho‘s pacification of the Germani using names of people which may only be poetic: “Salian now tills his fields, the Sygambrian beats his straight sword into a curved sickle”. (The Sugambri had apparently long ago been defeated and moved by the Romans.)[16]
From the 420s onwards, headed by a certain Chlodio, a group of Franks pushed through the boundary of the Roman inhabited Silva Carbonaria and expanded their territory to the Somme in northern France. Franks then ruled that area which included the Belgian city of Tournai, and the French city of Cambrai. Chlodio is never referred to as Salian, only Frankish, and his origins unclear. He is said by Gregory of Tours (II.9) to have launched his attack on Tournai through the Carbonaria Silva from a fort named Dispargum, which was in “Thoringia”. The most common interpretations of these names are neither in Salian Batavia nor in Toxandria.
In 451, Chlodio’s opponent Flavius Aëtius, de facto ruler of the Western Roman Empire, called upon his Germanic allies on Roman soil to help fight off an invasion by Attila‘s Huns. Franks answered the call and fought in the battle of the Catalaunian Fields in a temporary alliance with Romans and Visigoths, which de facto ended the Hunnic threat to Western Europe.
The Notitia dignitatum listing Roman military units in the 5th century mentions the Salii iuniores Gallicani based in Hispania, the Salii seniores based in Gaul. There is also record of a numerus Saliorum.[17]
While their relationship to Chlodio is uncertain, Childeric I and his son Clovis I, who gained control over Roman Gaul were said to be related, and the legal code they published for the Romance speaking country between the Loire and the Silva Carbonaria, a region the Franks later called Neustria, was called the Salic law.[18] Their dynasty, the Merovingians, were named after Childeric’s father Merovech, whose birth was associated with supernatural elements.[19] Childeric and Clovis, were described as Kings of the Franks, and rulers of the Roman province of Belgica Secunda. Clovis became the absolute ruler of a Germanic kingdom of mixed Galloroman-Germanic population in 486. He consolidated his rule with victories over the Gallo-Romans and all the other Frankish tribes and established his capital in Paris. After he had beaten the Visigoths and the Alemanni, his sons drove the Visigoths to Spain and subdued the Burgundians, Alemanni and Thuringians. However, after 250 years of this dynasty, marked by internecine struggles, a gradual decline occurred. The position in society of the Merovingians was taken over by Carolingians, who came from a northern area around the river Maas in what is now Belgium and southern Netherlands.
In Gaul, a fusion of Roman and Germanic societies was occurring. During the period of Merovingian rule, the Franks began to adopt Christianity following the baptism of Clovis I in 496, an event that inaugurated the alliance between the Frankish kingdom and the Roman Catholic Church. Unlike their Gothic, Burgundic and Lombardic counterparts, who adopted Arianism, the Salians adopted Catholic Christianity early on; giving them a relationship with the ecclesiastical hierarchy, and their subjects in conquered territories.
The division of the Frankish kingdom among Clovis’s four sons (511) was an event which would repeat in Frankish history over more than four centuries. By then, the Salic Law had established the exclusive right to succession of male descendants. However, this principle turned out to be an exercise in interpretation, rather than the simple implementation of a new model of succession. No trace of an established practice of territorial division can in fact be discovered among Germanic peoples other than the Franks.
The Toxandri (or Texuandri, Taxandri, Toxandrians etc.) were a people living at the time of the Roman empire. Their territory was called Toxandria, Toxiandria or Taxandria, a name which survived into the Middle Ages. It was roughly equivalent to the modern Campine (Dutch Kempen) geographical region of northeastern Flanders and southern Netherlands. In modern terms this covered all or most of North Brabant, the east of Antwerp Province, and the north of Belgian Limburg.
Their name is also preserved in modern placenames such as Tessenderlo, which is in the modern Belgian province of Limburg where it borders upon the provinces of Antwerp and Flemish Brabant.[1]
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Early reports[edit]
Pliny the Elder in his Naturalis Historia reported that they were divided into “various peoples with many names”. He placed them at the extreme edge of Gallia Belgica, the River Scaldis (modern Scheldt) which some translations interpret as being “beyond” that river, with the Menapii on the more Roman side.[2] This means that the Texuandri were either within, or very close to, the part of the river delta frontier area of Belgic Gaul, that later became part of Roman “Lower Germany“. The coastal Menapii and Morini were west of the Scheldt, and so the Texuandri were likely on the eastern bank north of modern Antwerp, in or near the area known as Toxandria in the Middle Ages.
From military records around the empire it appears that the Texuandri may have formed at least one administrative district or “pagus” which contributed troops to Roman armies, but it appears to be associated with more than one higher level district. One is the Civitas Tungrorum, the civitas of the Tungri, but there also seems to be an association with the civitas of the Nervii, to the west.[3] The modern town of Tongerloo, named after the Tungri, is very close to Tessenderlo, but actually further from the city of the Tungri which is modern Tongeren. The relationship between the Tungri and Toxandri is unclear.
Prior to Pliny, the Toxandrians were not mentioned by Julius Caesar or Strabo in their reports of the region. It has been speculated in modern times that their name may even have been a calque of the name of the Eburones who lived in the same area and were mentioned by both authors, but whom Caesar claimed to have destroyed in revenge for their rebellion against him. The name of the Eburones is based on the Celtic word for a yew tree, which in Latin is called “taxus“.[3] (But this is not the only possible explanation of the name.)
Alternatively, the Toxandri and Tungri, whose name also only appears for the first time in Roman times, may have been made up of Germanic immigrants from the east of the Rhine, settling Roman territory, as certainly happened closer to the Rhine – for example the Ubii to the east near Cologne, the Cugerni to the northeast near Xanten, and the Batavians and Canenefates directly to the north of the Toxandri, in the Rhine-Meuse delta. Tacitus does not mention the Toxandri, but specifically mentions that the Tungri, unlike the Ubii, Batavians and Canenefates, had simply changed tribal name, having previously been known as the (cisrhenane) Germani, a grouping which had included the Eburones.[4][5]
Before the takeover of Rome in this region, in Julius Caesar‘s commentary tribal boundaries in the area where the Toxandri are later found are left unclear. It is generally described as thorny low forest and marshy lowlands, northwards of main populations of the cisrhenane Germani and Nervii. Caesar mentions both these politically important tribes retreating into estuarine areas, but more clearly connects those regions to the Menapii, who in Caesar’s time, as opposed to Strabo’s, stretched through the delta all the way to the Rhine. At one point Caesar specifically says that the cisrhenane Germani bordering the Menapii were the Eburones, who he describes as the biggest and most important tribe of the Germani.[6]
Ambivariti[edit]
In one isolated passage, Caesar did apparently describe a tribe in the area of the later Toxandri, the Ambivariti. He describes their position incidentally only, mentioning that a raiding group from Germany had crossed the Rhine at a point where Menapii lived on both sides of the river, and then crossed the Meuse (Dutch Maas) in order to raid the Ambivariti. But this tribe is never mentioned by any other known classical source, and Caesar does not describe the associations of these people with any others.[7]
Later Toxandria[edit]
In the middle of the 4th century, the area of Toxandria became very de-populated, and was exposed to constant raiding from tribes across the Rhine, outside the empire.[8]
Having been amongst the worst raiders, the Salian Franks were eventually settled as foederati in Toxandria. Julian the Apostate had at first fought against Saxons and Franks, including the Salians, but then allowed this one group “descended from the Franks” to settle in Toxandria in 358.[9] According to Zosimus, in the years previous to this agreement, the Salians had already settled in the island of the Batavians, a border island of the Roman empire, forced there by Saxons from northern Germany. But they had come under attack from Saxons, who were this time raiding Roman territory (and the Salians) from the sea.
“[Julian] commanded his army to attack them briskly; but not to kill any of the Salii, or prevent them from entering the Roman territories, because they came not as enemies, but were forced there […] As soon as the Salii heard of the kindness of Caesar, some of them went with their king into the Roman territory, and others fled to the extremity of their country, but all humbly committed their lives and fortunes to Caesar’s gracious protection.”[10]
The Salians then became Roman allies (foederati) and provided troops for the imperial army, in the very period that Roman influence in the area was weakening. Toxandria therefore eventually became the name of a Frankish county in early medieval Lower Lotharingia.
Texandria is mentioned as a large county in the 870 Treaty of Meersen, and remained the name of a large diocese of the Catholic church during the Middle Ages, under the Roman Catholic Diocese of Liège, which was originally conceived as the diocese of the Roman administrative area of the Tungri.
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