I am trying to determine how old the Jesus in Cornwall Legend is. I suggested to Virginia Hambley that she get a DNA test going to see if she is kin to the Phoenicians. We do not have to prove the Hambleys of Cornwall are kin to Joseph of Arimathea, Jesus, and Knight Templars, because there is a established legend that will not go away. Not like certain Sinclairs, Virginia has nothing to prove, and would not be self-serving in the gathering of evidence. Her first name alone involves her in the Santa Claus legend, and thus, her plate is full. Santa is here to stay! However, this may not be the case of the Sinclair Legends that have been evicted from THE TOWER by the Merry pranksters, no less.
Here is a Sinclair Myth Buster site that gives DNA results proving six self-serving Sinclairs are not related to one another, and the real Sinclairs. It looks like all the wheels came off the Rosy Sinclair Bus, because, the ancient Sinclairs helped persecute the real Knight Templars, some who held the place-name de Rougemont.
In 1987 I was invited to get on The Bus with Keny Kesey and ride round Eugene Oregon in the Eugene Celebration.
CLAN SINCLAIR DNA
Sinclair DNA MythBusters..shows it the way it is
Below are 6 people who are all involved with the Sinclair Clan and or the Sinclair DNA research. Please note that the DNA of these 6 men do not match one another,other than a few in the same haplogroup but the markers are way off from each other. Not one is related to any of the others, SO just WHO in this lot is a Sinclair of the Sinclair Family of Roslin,Caithness,and Orkney…….Let me tell you….NOT ANY of them !!!!!
According to tradition, William St Clair, (William Sinclair) 3rd Earl of Orkney, Baron of Roslin and 1st Earl of Caithness built Rosslyn Chapel. A later William Sinclair of Roslin became the first Grand Master of the Grand Lodge of Scotland. The St Clair, later Sinclair, Earls of Rosslyn or Roslin have also been connected to Templarism in Scotland, but Mark Oxbrow and Ian Robertson in their recent book, ‘Rosslyn and the Grail’, note that the St Clair of Rosslyn testified against the Templars at their trial in Edinburgh in 1309. Dr. Louise Yeoman points out that the Rosslyn/Knights Templar connection is false, having been invented by 18th century fiction-writers, and that Rosslyn Chapel was built by William Sinclair so that Mass could be said for the souls of his family. In Michael T.R.B Turnbull’s book Rosslyn Chapel Revealed he states that “Eighteen years after the suppression of the Order, Sir William Sainteclaire, in the role of a Crusader(not Templar), made a brave and honourable bid to fulfil the wishes of his late monarch, King Robert The Bruce”. He then explains that he and his wife Lady Margaret Ramsay of Dalhousie produced a son (also Sir William)to succeed him as the 8th Baron of Rosslyn. Turnbull States that “His father could never have been a Knight Templar, as his wealth and marriage would have broken two of the three Templar vows — Poverty and chastity”.
Mel Sinclair below President of Clan Sinclair USA
E1b1b1a2 13 24 13 10 15 16 11 12 12 13 11 30 15
Rory Sinclair below Past President Clan Sinclair Canada
R1b1b2 13 24 14 10 11 14 12 12 11 13 13 30
Ian Sinclair below Ian of Nosshead Girnigo Castle
I1 13 22 14 10 13 14 11 14 11 12 11 29
Niven Sinclair below Clan Sinclair
R1b1b2 13 25 14 11 11 13 12 12 12 13 13 30
Steve StClair below StClair/Sinclair DNA Research Guy?
R1b1b2a1b5 13 24 14 11 11 14 12 12 11 13 13 29
Shawn Douglas Sinclair below of Clan Sinclair History and DNA and Ulvunger DNA Site
Shawns father was ADOPTED, his fathers, father’s surname listed as MARTIN
Shawn Douglas Sinclair (Colin Sinclair, b.c. 1802, Argyll, Scotland) R1b1b2a1a4 13 23 14 11 11 14 12 12 12 13 13 30
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Sunday, 30 September 2012SINCLAIR DNA of CAITHNESS CONFIRMED
DNA Results for our Newest Testee
Testing has been completed on our newest participant John Thurso ( Sinclair ) 3rd Viscount Thurso of Ulbster in the county of Caithness Scotland
Mr Thurso,or Sinclair descendes from the Sinclair line of Ulbster Caithness:
R1b1a2a1a1a4….With SNP markers U106 / S21 / Z1 / Z8 / Z346+ / Z343- or = to R-Z346* and this is as far as the dna can go for now untill new SNP markers are discovered.
Mr. Thurso’s markers match the large Sinclair dna tested group from Caithness,Orkney ,and Shetland that was refered to as lineage #4
A note follows from Dr James Wilson a Genetic researcher and a founding member of Scotlands DNA
“Sinclair genetic genealogists tend to use 390=24 vs 390=23 as shorthand for at least ten to twenty other markers which differ between one group of Sinclair Y chromosomes (S21+/U106+) and another. These differ by many SNPs as well as the STR markers. John Thurso belongs to the S21+ lineage, specifically to the Z346+/S512+, Z343-/S387- subgroup, which also includes many of you with DYS390=23, however his DYS390 happens to have backmutated to 24.
Given that studies by Dr Jim Wilson show that 10 of 14 Sinclairs from Orkney who are unrelated to fifth cousin or beyond, that is 71%, are also in the S21+ group and those that have been tested further also match John Thurso, who is a scion of the Caithness Earldom line, we can now say we have identified the Y chromosome of the Sinclair Earls of Orkney and Caithness.
There are some other S21+ Sinclair lineages not in the Z346 subgroup, but it seems that the ancestors of Sinclairs in these groups, along with the S145/L21 and other lineages must have adopted the surname at some point in the past and do not descend in the male line from the Earldom lineage.
Sequencing by Jim Wilson has discovered a number of novel recent Y chromosome SNPs which we hope will help to identify branches within the Earldom genealogy.”
So this now proves the DNA of the Sinclair family that traces back to the Sinclairs of Rosslyn, with the famous Rosslyn Chapel in Roslin Scotland.
Many thanks to the research team that put all this together,and special thanks to Dr. Wilson, Mr John Thurso for stepping up and testing for us, and Shawn Sinclair for having the nerve to ask Mr Thurso to do the test, and getting that done and reported on.
My own DNA markers here,that are very close to the testee and prove we share a common ancestor.
R1b1a2a1a1a4 SNP markers U106/S21/Z8/Z1/Z346+/Z343-…….R-Z346*
13 23 14 11 11-14 12 12 11 13 13 29 16 9-10 11 11 24 15 19 29 15-16-17-18 11 10 19-23 17 14 19 17 38-39 12 12 11 9 15-16 8 10 10 8 10 10 12 22-23 15 10 12 12 16 8 12 22 20 13 12 10 12 11 11 13 12
Thanks All Rob Sinclair
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Thursday, 28 June 2012StClair Sinclair DNA Research
SORRY LITTLE MAN STEVE StCLAIR
Seems Steve StClair , the loud mouth from StClair/Sinclair DNA Research Group has run out of DNA research and has comitted his time to trashing myself and others on the internet. Its a sad thing to see a grown man/child turn to such lowlife ways,simply because he has been thrown out of the Sinclair family tree and landed on his head. I know it must hurt to find out the truth regarding your own DNA Steve StClair but it is what it is. As you have said yourself Steve DNA does not LIE, and it clearly tells the truth with your own DNA markers and that is that YOU are NOT in any way related to the Sinclair/StClair NOBLE family line of Scotland. TOO much SCOTCH does not make you a SCOTT,it only encourages you to post your rediculouse blogs….lay of the booze. The research of the Alexander SinKler/StClair line of Virginia has run into a BRICK WALL and they are stuck in America and do NOT trace back to Scotland in any way. I firmly believe this line took the name SINKLER|/StClair in America….now please move on with your miserable little life Steve and leave real research to real Sinclairs……
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Saturday, 5 May 2012Using DNA to Grow Your Family Tree
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Thursday, 29 March 2012A Sinclair Family of Clyth / Lybster Caithness / DNA U106 / Z8 / Z1
We have a Sinclair who is of this family and has DNA Tested, results are SNP Z8/Z1
Author and Documentary maker Ronald Rayner is the world’s leading authority on the history of the travels in Glastonbury, and Cornwall, England, of the Prophet Jesus, and His Great Uncle, Joseph of Arimathea. Ronald Rayner recounts the story from his own books, about the Discovery of the Jesus Scroll, by his ancestor, Crusader Knight ‘Rayner the Fleming’. Crusader Knight, Rayner the Fleming, discovered the Jesus Scroll whilst building what are known as the Crusader Steps down from street level to the area of the Tomb of Holy Mary, in Jerusalem. Rayner the Fleming decided to make a gift of the scroll to England’s King Stephen. However, the King could only read and understand Norman French. Fellow Knights offered to carry the scroll to the only place in the world known to translate Middle East languages to Norman French, and that was the Monastery of Kiev, Ukraine. Ancestors of many Knights were descended from the Vikings who settled in both Kiev, and Novgorod, Ukraine. Knights were happy to enjoy an opportunity to return to their roots, where they knew they were assured of a warm welcome. Plus a handsome reward when they returned with the translation of the rare scroll to King Stephen in England. After receiving and reading the translation of the Jesus scroll from the Knights, the King passed the Scroll onto the care of Roger Clinton; a special gift, to celebrate Roger Clintons Consecration into the position of Bishop of Coventry, in 1127. Joseph of Arimathea was a Master Mariner whose ships traded with all the busy Ports around the Mediterranean Sea, where Joseph was known as the Tin Man. His dominant position trading, and bartering ingots of tin transported from his smelters in the West of England, in exchange for all manner of luxury goods; gold grain, incense, silks, beaten silver, and much more, made Joseph rich and very popular. Joseph took Jesus, and his own son Adnam Josephus, around the same age of Jesus, to Glastonbury to benefit from the Druid education there, and to keep the boys safe from the Roman terror that would slaughter women and children indiscriminately. It was during the return journey that the secret knowledge passed to Joseph, by Jesus, that set Joseph on a course planning the missions on which the Disciples were sent after the Rapture. Joseph of Arimathea, Mary Magdalene together with other Disciples fled Judea, Mary to France, Joseph to Glastonbury in A.D. 38 where, together with the Disciples that travelled with him, they built the first Christian Church outside Jerusalem, at Glastonbury, where Joseph owned land. Joseph dies in A.D. 81, and the Church he built survived at Glastonbury until it was destroyed by fire in the year 1184.
CHRIST in BRITAIN
The study of Jesus in Britain touches on the Royal family, the establishment of the Church, Paul’s visit to Britain, and even the founding of the Roman church.
Various and many historical documents indicate that, after Jerusalem, the first Christian church was established in England. It’s founder, and founder as well of many seminaries, was Joseph of Arimathea, the uncle of the Virgin Mary. He was Jesus’ great uncle. Joseph was a rich merchant with a large fleet of ships that ran the tin trade for the Roman Empire, between England and the Mediterranean.
As Jesus’ great uncle, Joseph became Jesus’ Guardian (by Law, as next of kin) when Mary’s husband Joseph died early in Jesus’ life. He took Jesus with him on his journeys to Glastonbury, England. The place we know as Avalon; the King Arthur Avalon. This is the location of the first Christian church built above ground.
To paraphrase an old saying, “All Christian roads lead to England.”
The following information was taken from two of the many volumes on the subject of Jesus’ spending time in Britain. They are, the Traditions of Glastonbury, by E. Raymond Capt, and Did Our Lord Visit Britain, by C.C. Dobson.
If Jesus was indeed absent from Judea from age twelve to age thirty, as some believe, we should be able to find evidence that this was the case. In Matt 17 Jesus was being asked for the Stranger’s tax. They seemed aware that Jesus lived in Capernaum. They didn’t know if he was exempt from the tax, having been gone for a long time.
John the Baptist, who was Jesus’ cousin, and spent time with Jesus as they grew up, was very uncertain as to Jesus’ identity at his baptism. If Jesus had spent the “lost years” in Judea, he and John would certainly have seen each other at the three yearly Feasts.
Then we find two accounts of Jesus’ identity being questioned. “Is this not Joseph’s son?” “Brought up here?” (Luke 4) “Is not this the carpenter’s son?” (Matt 14) And in John 1 we find that Nathaniel, who only lived five miles from Nazareth, doesn’t know Jesus. Capt says that Nathaniel was from Cana.
Of Jesus’ visits to England, scattered evidence abounds. Here’s a short scenario from C.C. Dobson
“As a boy He was brought merely for a visit by Joseph of Arimathea on one of his voyages. Later as a young man He returned and settled at Glastonbury for the purpose of quiet study, prayer, and meditation. Here He erected for Himself a small house of mud and wattles. ” Dobson goes on to present historical evidence.
In a letter to Pope Gregory, St.Augustine states that there was a church “constructed by no human art, but divinely contructed (or by the hands of Christ Himself), for the salvation of His people.”
The historian, Gildas, says Jesus’ “Light and precepts” were “afforded…to this island during the …last year of the reign of Tiberius. Tiberius retired to Caprae in A.D. 27.
William of Malmesbury includes in his writings the contents of a letter given by King Ina to Glastonbury, 700 AD.”To the ancient church, situate in the place called Glastonbury (which Church the Great High Priest and Chiefest Minister formerly through His own ministry, and that of angels…..” This confirms Gildas’ statement that Jesus had a ministry at Glastonbury.
The historical records called the Domesday Surveys, also bear witness to Jesus’ presence in Glastonbury. These surveys state that Glastonbury contained 12 hides (160 acre parcels) of land that “have never paid tax.” This was because the King Arviragus gave these parcels to Joseph of Arimathea when he arrived in England in 37 AD.
Four of the many traditions of Jesus coming to England are discussed in Capt’s book.
Ancient carvings on the stone arch of Place Manor Church has an insignia of an anchor, a lamb and cross. The accompanying pictographs tell the story of Jesus and His uncle coming to Place for tin.
Another traditional story is that of Jesus teaching the miners of Cornwall how to smelt tin from ore.
Old Cornwall mining Ordinance maps show two interesting names. “Corpus Christi” (Body of Christ), and “Wheel of Jesus” (wheel is a Cornish name for mine). Also found in abundance in Cornwall’s mining area are “Tunic Crosses.” These crosses picture a Christian cross on one side and the image of a young lad dressed in a short tunic; obviously not a picture of a crucified or risen Christ.
This quote from Capt relates the Mendips mining area to Joseph and Jesus. “Traditions among the hill folk of Somerset relate that Joseph, after first seeking tin from the Scillies (islands) and Cornwall, came to the Mendips and was accompanied on several occassions by the boy Jesus. At the parish Church of Priddy, high on top of the Mendips, they have an old saying: ‘As sure as our Lord was at Priddy.’ And a carol sung be the children of Priddy begins: “Joseph was a tin merchant, a tin merchant, a tin merchant, and goes on to describe him arriving from the sea in a boat.”
Much has been written about the Lost Years of Jesus. Many accounts place him in India. One South American tradition sounds very much like Jesus visiting that continent. In fact, many say that the complete and speedy success of the Spanish invaders was due to this tradition; that the Visitor prophsied that He would return.
Consider. If Joseph had a fleet of ships, that gave Jesus access to worldwide travel. Do not doubt for even a second that world travel to ALL lands was possible. There is abundant evidence to prove the fact.
The traditions of Glastonbury and Cornwall form the following scenario:
Joseph of Arimathea was an uncle of the Virgin Mary, being a younger brother of her father. He gained his wealth as an importer in the tin trade, which existed between Cornwall and Phoenicia. On one of his voyages he took Our Lord with him when a boy. Our Lord either remained in Britain or returned later as a young man, and stayed in quiet retirement at Glastonbury. Here he erected for himself a small house of mud and wattle. Later Joseph of Arimathea, fleeing from Palestine, settled in the same place and erected a mud and wattle church there.
The contents of these several pages on the Cradle of Christianity will be found to over lap. That can’t be helped, as the whole topic takes in many areas of study which all relate importantly to each other. So the study of Jesus in Britain touches on the Royal family, the establishment of the Church, Paul’s visit to Britain, and even the founding of the Roman church.
going through sudden change
having plans disrupted
undergoing a crisis
having routines shaken up
being in chaos
having an emotional outburst
erupting in anger
crashing through ego defenses
breaking through pretense
letting everything go
experiencing a crash
toppling from the heights
having a downturn in fortune
suffering a blow to the ego
having a revelation
suddenly realizing the truth
exposing what was hidden
having a burst of insight
seeing through illusions
getting the answer
seeing everything in a flash
The media was in full swing to greet Kesey and the Pranksters as they arrived at Stonhenge. There were a handful of newspaper journalists and photographers, as well as a BBC film crew competing with their rival Channel Four film crew.
Kesey waxed philosophical about the origins of the stones, and agreed that there could be some extra-terrestrial influence in their construction. On the drive to Stonhenge, Kesey and the bus witnessed some strange spherical crop circles in the surrounding fields. Most of the circles appeared lopsided and asymetrical.
Kesey suggested that these crop circles were created by “sleepwalking aliens.”
“This only happens once every 1000 years,” Kesey said about the magic bus Further being amongst these ancient mystical stones. Using a handheld radio, Kesey communicated with Babbs who was on the bus parked in an adjacent farm field a half-mile away.
As Kesey gave the word, the bus moved down the road. From the vantage point of the stones, the bus could be seen moving in the distance. The sun gleamed off its multi-colored roof, and gleamed through the gaps of the ancient monument as though it were a giant stone prism.