Rose Templar of Belvoir Priory & Castle

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The Sinclair Clan is dire straights due to Niven Sinclair being convicted of being a paedophile.

Sinclair family researcher Steve St. Clair describes Niven Sinclair as his good and close friend.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/new-bbc-paedophile-scandal-hero-8435411

I just got deleted from Clan Sinclair World Wide, because the moderator can not, and cares not – to read genealogies. This comes from Steve Sinclair, the Sinclair family tree maker. He is ordered by the clan leader to find Sinclair Knights Templar – everywhere!  He tells the fearless leader he has found Templars. He lies!  They take his word for it – because genealogies are tedious! There are very few people on earth – that love looking at them. Ben Toney and I, are two of them. Robert Sinclair is keen on the Sinclair DNA research. What I am saying, this post, is THE BIG FISH EATING THE LITTLE FISH! The House of Toney has the the right to consume the Sinclair branch – of their family tree! It by far contains more noble DNA.

https://www.geni.com/people/Robert-de-Ros-1st-Lord-Ros-of-Helmsley/6000000000437148369

LOOK AT THIS………..

http://www.sinclairgenealogy.info/rie-family

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Agnes de Tosny, Toney, Toeni, was married to Hurbert de Rie

https://rosamondpress.com/2016/07/17/steve-st-clair-gleaner-at-large/

There is no direct connection with the 13th-century presence of Knights Templar in Scotland. However, since the 1980s such a connection has been a popular topic in fiction and in pseudohistorical speculation.

In 2000, Andrew Sinclair and Timothy Wallace-Murphy connected the imaginary bloodline of Christ to Rosslyn Chapel, the St. Clair family chapel in Scotland. They believed the chapel had been built as a model of Solomon’s Temple in Jerusalem (even though the ground plans do not match in any way) and that the chapel contained Templar and Masonic symbolism, a claim denied by both experts in the Templars and the Masons themselves. (Some Masonic symbols were added later, and others are actual mason’s marks used by stonemasons in building the chapel.) In this reading, the St. Clair family was in fact the Scottish branch of Jesus bloodline, guarded by the Templars, who after their disbanding became Freemasons. (They did not, of course, as mentioned above. Freemasonry did not erupt for more than 400 years after the end of the Templars, too long for any real connection.) Then, to tie it up with a bow, the faker Pierre Plantard once went by the fake name Saint-Clair. 

 

jhttp://www.jasoncolavito.com/the-templars-the-holy-grail–henry-sinclair.html

http://www.jasoncolavito.com/blog/henry-sinclair-the-knights-templar-and-the-holy-bloodline-a-chronology

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scottish_Knights_Templar

Let me make myself perfectly clear. Ben and I are not going to live forever. Robert is a healthy and honest young man. He is also very brave. Over the years, I have seen him stick his neck – way out – and test the metal of reality.

One day Robert Sinclair was gazing upon the calm waters of a lake, when, the tip of a sword appear. On this sword are written these words:

“God can stand the questioning!”

http://www.sacred-texts.com/sro/hkt/hkt14.htm

On 3 July 1257, Ros obtained from Henry III a grant of the free warren, in the lordship of Belvoir, by which the boundary was determined. In 1258, he was actively employed in Scotland, in delivering King Alexander III of Scotland out of the hands of his rebellious subjects; and at Chester, in resisting the hostile invasions ofLlewelyn the Last. In the same year, he and his lady Isabel had a controversy with the Prior and Convent of Belvoir, relative to the right of presentation to the Church of Redmile (near Bottesford), which was amicably compromised by their relinquishing the patronage to the convent, for a certain compensation. In 1261 he obtained from the king the grant of a weekly market, to be held at Belvoir, on Tuesday; and of an annual fair on the feast of St John the Baptist, to continue for three days. In 1264, he was one of the insurgent barons who defeated Henry III at the battle of Lewes, and took him and the prince prisoner, confining them in Farleigh Hungerford Castle. In 1264, de Ros was summoned to the parliament, which was called by the barons in the king’s name. He died in 1285, and was buried at Kirkham Priory.[6]

Yesterday I told my dear friend Ben Toney I would be the Standard Bearer for the history of his illustrious family. Ben is not in the best of health. I spent two years looking at his family tree that has Fair Rosamond Clifford as an outstanding Rose. The Knight Templar, Robert de Ros is here. His offspring lived at Belvoir Castle that was in the movie ‘The Da Vinci Code. There is a Priory close by. The Priory of Belvoir, that means “Beautiful View”.

My Rosemondt kindred were Swan Brethren in Holland. The Swan Knight was secretive of his Family Tree. The parents of my grandfather, were Thomas Rosamond, and Ida Rose. My mother was named Rosemary. Her mother was Mary Magdalene Rosamond.

Agnes de Tosny, Toney, Toeni, was married to Hurbert de Rie. The Sinclair genealogist puts everything on the (rose) line with Hurbert, and utterly ignores his wife who made a donation to the Belvoir Priory, a Benedictine Priory. There is much controversy about this Priory. Robert de Ros was a Knight Templar and is buried at the Templar Church in London. The de Ros and Toney family are close kindred. Ralph Toney was the Standard Bearer for William the Conqueror. Close ties with the Kings of Scotland, are here. Here is everything the Sinclair Family – has sought! But, it all lie under the Banner Toney.

I have been ill recieved by members of the Sinclair Family. They have insulted and censored me. Picture me a Knight on a gallant steed, riding to the rescue of the Sinclair Family Line. I do this for my friend, Robert Sinclair, who has been my ally in looking in these Family Trees. He is and his children are being harassed by Steven Sinclair, who must be dismissed at the Sinclair Genealogist – this very day! There is not need for his aggression. If it continues, then the Sinclair history will be asborbed into the history of the Knight, Ladys, and Monk of Belvoir.

King Henry Curtmantle was keen on having sexual relations with the beautiful women of the Toney family in order to secure his claim to Normandy. Rosamond Clifford was the daughter of Margaret de Toney, and Henry had children by Ida de Toney.

A petition containing nearly two million signatures begged the powers that be to return Britain to the European Union. Here’s your chance Clan Sinclair to recreate the European Empire created by the King Henrys. We are talking about the Plantagenet. Why the name Henry Fitzempress? We are talking about a New Empire, a Trading Union. I will help you establish. Study the Lions Rampant. And, you thought is was all a myth, a fantasy tale that you stuffed in your back pocket.

For showing courage to conduct a fearless inventory of Clan Sinclair, I hearby appoint Robert Sinclair head of his beloved clan.

Hit is maestro!

Jon Presco

President: Royal Rosamond Press

In the Templar Tradtion of the Knights of Bellevaux ‘Beutiful View’

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_II_of_England

AGNES de Tosny (-before 1127). “Agnes de Toteneio” confirmed the donation to Belvoir priory, Lincolnshire by “pater meus Robertus de Toteneio et mater mea Adelais”, by undated charter[1805]. Henry I King of England confirmed the donation of “decimas de Hokeringhe, de Swanetuna, de Depham, de Bukestuna, de Mercheshale” by “Hubertus de Ria…Agnes de Belfo uxor eius…cum Ricardo filio suo” to Holy Trinity, Norwich, at the request of “Henrici filii et heredis ipsorum”, by charter dated to [1127][1806]. Her second marriage is confirmed by the undated charter under which her son “Henricus de Rya” confirmed the donations to Belvoir priory, Lincolnshire by “Roberti avi mei et Agnetis matris meæ”[1807]. m firstly RALPH de Belfou, son of —. m secondly HUBERT de Rie, son of HUBERT de Rie & his wife — (-before 1127).

Henry II (5 March 1133 – 6 July 1189), also known as Henry Curtmantle (FrenchCourt-manteau), Henry FitzEmpressor Henry Plantagenet, ruled as Count of AnjouCount of MaineDuke of NormandyDuke of AquitaineCount of Nantes,King of England (1154–89) and Lord of Ireland; at various times, he also controlled WalesScotland and Brittany. Henry was the son of Geoffrey of Anjou and Matilda, daughter of Henry I of England. He became actively involved by the age of 14 in his mother’s efforts to claim the throne of England, then occupied by Stephen of Blois, and was made Duke of Normandy at 17. He inherited Anjou in 1151 and shortly afterwards married Eleanor of Aquitaine, whose marriage toLouis VII of France had recently been annulled. Stephen agreed to a peace treaty after Henry’s military expedition to England in 1153: Henry inherited the kingdom on Stephen’s death a year later.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duke_of_Normandy

http://www.sexualfables.com/the_woman_in_the_bower.php

http://www.british-history.ac.uk/vch/lincs/vol2/pp124-127

The Da Vinci Code location: the exterior of ‘Castel Gandolfo’: Belvoir Castle, near Grantham, Leicestershire

Two separate English locations stand in for ‘Castel Gandolfo’, the Pope’s summer residence overlooking Lake Albano near Rome, in which the sinister council meets.

The exterior, with a bit of CGI, is Belvoir Castle, home of the Duke and Duchess of Rutland, about seven miles west of Grantham in Leicestershire. No stranger to the screen, Belvoir (pronounced ‘beaver’) is also seen in Barry Levinson’s Young Sherlock Holmes, Merchant-Ivory’s The Golden Bowl, and as ‘Buckingham Palace’ in both The Young Victoria and King Ralph. Its kitchens featured in Jan de Bont’s splurgy 1999 remake of The Haunting.

About Robert de Toeni, Lord of Belvoir

His parentage is unknown for certain. PLEASE NOTE: (1) Robert de Toni/Tosny Lord of Belvoir (married Adelais) MAY or MAY NOT be the same as (2) Robert de Tosny also known as Robert de Stafford (married Avice de Clare and buried at Evesham Abbey). See notes below.

PLEASE, let’s try to keep them separate just to be on the safe side. However, Geni members keep merging them together indiscriminately. –Pam

Please see Katherine S.B. Keats-Rohan’s “Belvoir: The Heirs of Robert and Berengar de Tosny” (Prosopon Newsletter, 1998) at http://users.ox.ac.uk/~prosop/prosopon/issue9-1.pdf

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http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/NORMAN%20NOBILITY.htm#_Toc254886805

E. SEIGNEURS de TOSNY…

1. ROBERT [I] de Tosny (-1088).

  • Europäische Stammtafeln shows Robert de Tosny unaffiliated with the other members of this family. Although his ancestry is unknown, it is likely that he was a member of this family.
  • He founded Marmoutier in 1063[1791].
  • Lord of Belvoir 1086.
  • “Robertum de Belvedeir—et A[dela]. uxor eius” founded Belvoir priory, Lincolnshire by charter dated to [1076][1792].
  • After the death of his wife Adela, Robert de Belvoir donated “land in Sapertune” to Belvoir priory, Lincolnshire, with the consent of “his sons William and Geoffrey”[1793].

m ADELAIS, daughter of — (-before 1088). “Robertum de Belvedeir—et A[dela]. uxor eius” founded Belvoir priory, Lincolnshire by charter dated to [1076][1794]. “Agnes de Toteneio” confirmed the donation to Belvoir priory, Lincolnshire by “pater meus Robertus de Toteneio et mater mea Adelais”, by undated charter[1795].

Robert & his wife had [six] children:

a) GUILLAUME (-[1130]). After the death of his wife Adela, Robert de Belvoir donated “land in Sapertune” to Belvoir priory, Lincolnshire, with the consent of “his sons William and Geoffrey”[1796]. Lord of Belvoir.

b) GEOFFREY . After the death of his wife Adela, Robert de Belvoir donated “land in Sapertune” to Belvoir priory, Lincolnshire, with the consent of “his sons William and Geoffrey”[1797].

c) [ROBERT de Tosny . “Robertus de Toteneia” donated property to Belvoir priory, Lincolnshire, confirmed by “Willielmus de Albeneio frater meus et dominus”, by undated charter, witnessed by “…Rogerus Bigot”[1798]. The identity of this Robert de Tosny is uncertain. The document cannot be contemporary as William de Albini was heir of Belvoir through his maternal grandmother Alice, who was the sister of this supposed Robert, so could not have been Robert de Tosny´s brother.]

d) ALICE . Her parentage is indicated by the 1130 Pipe Roll which records “Adeliz uxor Rogi Big…tra patris sui de Belueder” in Lincolnshire[1799]. It is also indicated by the charter dated 23 Apr [1430] under which her descendant “Thomas dominus de Ros, de Hamelake, de Trussebout et de Beavoir” confirmed the possessions of Belvoir priory, Lincolnshire made by “antecessores nostros…Robertum de Toteneio, Willielmum de Toteneyo filium suum, Agnetem de Toteneio filiam dicti Roberti de Toteneyo, Henricum de Rya filium Huberto de Rya, Agnetem de Toteneyo, Willielmum de Albeneio primum, Willielmum de Albeneio secundum, Willielmum de Albeneio tertium, Willielmum de Albeneio quartum, Ywynum de Albeneyo, Heliam de Albeneyo et uxores eorundem, Isabellam filiam domini Willielmi de Albeneio quæ fuit uxor domini de Ros, domini de Beauvoire et de Hamelake”[1800], the connection between Robert de Tosny Lord of Belvoir, father of Alice, being established through the marriage of her daughter Cecilia to William de Albini Brito. “Rogerius Bigot…et uxoris mee Adalicie” donated the church of Thetford to Cluny dated [1100][1801]. “Rogerus Bygot” founded Thetford Priory, with the advice of “…uxoris meæ Adeliciæ”, by undated charter dated to the reign of King Henry I[1802]. Living in 1136[1803]. m (before [1100]) as his second wife, ROGER Bigod, son of ROGER Bigod & his wife — (-8 or 15 Sep 1107, bur Thetford[1804]).

e) AGNES de Tosny (-before 1127). “Agnes de Toteneio” confirmed the donation to Belvoir priory, Lincolnshire by “pater meus Robertus de Toteneio et mater mea Adelais”, by undated charter[1805]. Henry I King of England confirmed the donation of “decimas de Hokeringhe, de Swanetuna, de Depham, de Bukestuna, de Mercheshale” by “Hubertus de Ria…Agnes de Belfo uxor eius…cum Ricardo filio suo” to Holy Trinity, Norwich, at the request of “Henrici filii et heredis ipsorum”, by charter dated to [1127][1806]. Her second marriage is confirmed by the undated charter under which her son “Henricus de Rya” confirmed the donations to Belvoir priory, Lincolnshire by “Roberti avi mei et Agnetis matris meæ”[1807]. m firstly RALPH de Belfou, son of —. m secondly HUBERT de Rie, son of HUBERT de Rie & his wife — (-before 1127).

f) [ALBREDE . “H comes Norfulc” confirmed property to the monks of Kirkstall, for the soul of “Albrede de Insula amite mee”, by charter dated to [1154/76][1808]. If amita is translated strictly in this document, Albrede was the sister of Earl Hugh´s mother. However, it cannot be excluded that she was in fact his paternal aunt. m — de l´Isle, son of —.

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[Excellent discussion: from Linley and Jim Hooper’s family history (http://www.linleyfh.com/oursecondsite-p/p828.htm) and this family history refers the reader to this source for further information:http://www.scribd.com/share/upload/13583900/2g4elw2zpu5rjkg0rj21. Here we find a book entitled Origin and Early Generations of the Tosny Family by Peter Stewart, written July 2009. This appears to be a most excellent source by a reputable medieval genealogist ]

Robert de Tosny

( – 1088)

The early Belvoir families: The first Lord of Belvoir, whose sarcophagus now rests at the north-west end of the chapel of Belvoir Castle, Co. Rutland, was Robert de Todeni or Tosny (ob. 1088). There are doubts concerning his place in the Tosny family, but it is probable that he was the brother' of Roger 1 de Tosny (ob.c. 1039), truly the Hereditary Standard Bearer of Normandy whose eldest son, Ralph III de Tosny, Lord of Conches and Seigneur d'Acquigny (ob. 1102), was founder of the great Tony line of Anglo-Norman barons. There is no doubt, however, that Robert was grandfather of Cecily of Belvoir, who carried the great Belvoir fee to her husband, William d'Aubigne (Brito) and their progeny 2 . From this marriage came the Breton Lords of Belvoir, the Earls and Dukes of Rutland, and also the Lords of Daubeney of South Petherton and the Earls of Bridgwater'. Robert's other grand-daughter, Cecily's sister Maud, married William d'Aubigny (now St. Martin d'Aubigny) known as Pincerna, distinguishing him from his sister-in-law's husband Brito; the issue of this marriage became the Albini or Aubigny Earls of Arundel & Sussex'.

Much confusion in the early history of Belvoir arose from the identical naming of Robert’s son, William, second Lord of Belvoir, and the Breton Williams who succeeded after Adeliza, Robert’s daughter. A perhaps greater confusion, however, followed from the unusual coincidence of the two grand-daughters marrying men from towns with similar names but of different regions. Even the Victorian County History of Bedfordshire gave Joan d’Albini of Cainhoe (ob. 13 10) the escutcheon of the Daubeneys of South Petherton, originating from the Montsorel arms of the Breton Aubigne family, even though she is now clearly seen to be of the Contentin family of Aubigny’.

The first definitive account of the family and pedigree of Robert of Belvoir, correcting the flawed attempts of Dugdale, Nichols, Burke and others, was that of the eminent scholar and genealogist, J. H. Round’. In 1914 Dr Farrer expanded Round’s pedigree 6 but neither Round nor Farrer included both daughters of Adeliza de Tosny and Roger Bigod in their family tree charts. It was left to the late Sir Anthony Wagner, Garter King of Arms, to present clearly the link of the Aubignys of the Contentin with the Aubignes of Brittany through the two Bigod grand-daughters of Robert of Belvoir’.

The descent of the Aubigny Earls of Arundel from the marriage of Maud and William d’Aubigny (Pincerna) has been fully presented by the Complete Peerage and Lewis Loyd 4,5, but the descendants of Cecily still present a complex and difficult problem. A great deal of research by C. W. Watson went into the preparation of the Daubeney monograph of the Complete Peerage, which is now being revised. Even so, there were a number of complexities unresolved and the monograph passed very lightly over the Daubeney family of the 12th and early 13th centuries; this is unfortunate, for more than one of the family, receiving mention only, played a significant part in history, not least Philip 1 d’Aubigne who was a great man of his day, serving three successive kings of England with distinction. Watson dealt not at all with the Lords of Belvoir and gave little indication of the close ties between them and the Daubeneys. Robert de Tosny was also known as de Todeni in some records.

Robert de Tosny married Adelais (?).
Robert died in 1088. He was 1st Lord of Belvoir and his sarcophogus rests at the north-west end of the chapel of Belvoir Castle, co. Rutland.. He was buried at Belvoir?, Rutland, England.

Children of Robert de Tosny and Adelais (?)

* Wiliam de Todeni * Berenger Todeni d. c 1116 * Geoffrey Todeni * Adeliza Todeni+ d. 26 Nov 1120

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NOTE: Although the following person MAY be the same, these profiles are being kept distinct until more evidence is discovered. For the profile of Robert de Tosny Lord of Stafford, please click here. Please note that while Wikipedia says that he is the son of Roger “Conches/The Spaniard” de Tosny (or alternately of Raoul/Ralph II de Tosny), the scholarly research of the Medieval Lands database (see below) does not support this.

http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/ENGLISH%20NOBILITY%20MEDIEVAL2.htm#RobertStafforddied1088B


A. STAFFORD FAMILY (TOSNY)

The primary sources which confirm the parentage and marriages of the members of this family have not yet been identified, unless otherwise indicated below.

ROBERT, son of — de Tosny & his wife — (-1088, bur [Evesham Abbey]). Robert´s connection with the Tosny family is confirmed by the undated charter under which “Robertus de Stafford” confirmed donations to Wotton Wawen Abbey, Warwickshire by “avus meus Robertus de Toenio et pater meus Nicolaus de Stafford”[295]. His father has not been identified. It is possible that Robert was either the same person as Robert de Tosny (died after 1063), possible son of Raoul [II] de Tosny, or as Robert de Tosny Lord of Belvoir in 1086, whose parentage is not known (see above). ”Robertus de Staffordia et Robertus filius meus et hæres” confirmed donations of property to Evesham Monastery by “Rodbertus avus meus…et pater meus Nicholaus” by undated charter[296].

m [AVICE de Clare], daughter of —.

Robert & his wife had one children:

1. NICHOLAS de Stafford (-1138 or after, bur Stone Priory). The 1130 Pipe Roll records “Nicolaus fil Rob de Statford” in Staffordshire[297]. “Nicholaus, filius Roberti de Statfort, et Robertus primogenitus et hæres mei” donated Stone priory to Kenilworth by undated charter[298]. ”Robertus de Staffordia et Robertus filius meus et hæres” confirmed donations of property to Evesham Monastery by “Rodbertus avus meus…et pater meus Nicholaus” by undated charter[299]. m MATILDA, daughter of [300][RALPH de Limesey] & his wife — (-bur Stone). A charter of King Henry II confirmed donations to Stone Priory, among which a donation by “Matildis de Stafford” with the consent of “Roberti de Stafford”, by undated charter[301]. “Matildis de Stafford” granted land in Theddlethorpe, Lincolnshire to “Matildi filie Roberti filii Gilberti filiole mee”, with the consent of “Johannis filii mei et Radulfi nepotis mei”, by charter dated to the reign of King Henry II, witnessed by “…Willelmo filio Otueri, Rannulfo de Seis, Ingeramo Bagot…”[302]. Nicholas & his wife had two children:

a) ROBERT de Stafford (-[1178/84], bur Stone Priory). “Robertus de Stafford” confirmed donations to Wotton Wawen Abbey, Warwickshire by “avus meus Robertus de Toenio et pater meus Nicolaus de Stafford” by undated charter[303]. The 1156 and 1157 Pipe Rolls record “Robert de Stafford” first in the list under Staffordshire[304]. “Nicholaus, filius Roberti de Statfort, et Robertus primogenitus et hæres mei” donated Stone priory to Kenilworth by undated charter[305]. Military fee certifications in the Red Book of the Exchequer, in 1166, record that “Robertus de Stafford” held one knight´s fee from Richard Bishop of Coventry in Staffordshire, and also record the sixty knights fees held from “Roberti de Staffordia” in Stafford[306]. The Red Book of the Exchequer refers to “Robertus de Stafford lx m” in Staffordshire in [1167/68][307]. ”Robertus de Staffordia et Robertus filius meus et hæres” confirmed donations of property to Evesham Monastery by “Rodbertus avus meus…et pater meus Nicholaus” by undated charter[308]. m AVICE, daughter of — (-bur Stone). Robert & his wife had three children:

i) ROBERT de Stafford (-[1193/29 Sep 1194]). ”Robertus de Staffordia et Robertus filius meus et hæres” confirmed donations of property to Evesham Monastery by “Rodbertus avus meus…et pater meus Nicholaus” by undated charter[309]. The Red Book of the Exchequer, listing scutage payments in [1190/91], records “Robertus de Stafford” paying “xxx l, lx milites” in Staffordshire[310]. He was in Jerusalem in 1190. m BASILIA, daughter of — (-after 1221).

ii) NICHOLAS de Stafford .

iii) MILLICENT de Stafford (-before Jan 1225, bur Stone Priory). “Herveus…dominus de Stafford” confirmed donations to Wotton Wawen Abbey, Warwickshire by “Robertus de Tony et Nicolaus filius suus de Stafford et Robertus filius eius” by undated charter which names “dominus Robertus de Stafford, pater uxoris meæ”[311]. Her name is confirmed by the undated charter under which her son “Willelmus de Stafford filius Hervei Bagot” confirmed donations to the priory of St Thomas, Stafford, with the consent of “fratris mei Hervei Bagot…matris meæ Mylisent”[312]. m (before 1193) HERVEY Bagot, son of — (-before 25 Aug 1214, bur Stone Priory). He adopted the name “Stafford”.

b) JOHN de Stafford . “Matildis de Stafford” granted land in Theddlethorpe, Lincolnshire to “Matildi filie Roberti filii Gilberti filiole mee”, with the consent of “Johannis filii mei et Radulfi nepotis mei”, by charter dated to the reign of King Henry II, witnessed by “…Willelmo filio Otueri, Rannulfo de Seis, Ingeramo Bagot…”[313].

c) — de Stafford . Her parentage and marriage are confirmed by the charter dated to the end-12th century under which “Radulfus de Suleya filius Radulfi de Suleya” confirmed land in Theddlethorpe, Lincolnshire to “Matildi de Hambi” granted to her by “Matildis de Staforda avia sua”, and land given to her in the same place by “Haraldus frater eius”, another charter which records the same confirmation clarifying “Radulfus de Suleya…Matildis de Estafford avia mea”[314]. m RALPH de Suleye, son of —. One child:

i) RALPH de Suleye . “Radulfus de Suleya filius Radulfi de Suleya” confirmed land in Theddlethorpe, Lincolnshire to “Matildi de Hambi” granted to her by “Matildis de Staforda avia sua”, and land given to her in the same place by “Haraldus frater eius”, by charter dated to the end-12th century, another charter which records the same confirmation clarifying “Radulfus de Suleya…Matildis de Estafford avia mea”[315]. It is assumed from these documents that Matilda de Hambye was the wife of Ralph de Suleye, although this is not stated specifically therein. m MATILDA de Hambye, daughter of —.

2. ALAN de Stafford (-after 1160). The Red Book of the Exchequer refers to "Alanus de Stafford dimidiam marcam i quartam" in Northamptonshire in [1160/61][316].

3. ROGER de Stafford (-after 1166). Military fee certifications in the Red Book of the Exchequer, in 1166, record that “Rogerus de Staffordia” held land in Dorset from the abbot of St Edward´s[317].


4. JORDAN de Stafford (-after 1166). Military fee certifications in the Red Book of the Exchequer, in 1166, record that “Jordanus de Stafford” held one knight´s fee from “Alvredi de Lincolnia” in Dorset and one from “Willelmi Malech” [Malet] in Somerset[318].

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There is one other “stray” Robert de Tosny who may or may not be the same one. See the third sibling listed below in Cawley’s database:

http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/NORMAN%20NOBILITY.htm#_Toc254886805

Brother and sister, and one possible additional brother, parents not known. No primary source has yet been found which identifies the parents of these [three] siblings. From a chronological point of view, they could have been the children of Raoul [II] de Tosny. It appears chronologically unlikely that they were the children of Roger [I] de Tosny [Conches]. It is possible that Robert [II] de Tosny was the same person as Robert [I] de Tosny Lord of Belvoir (see above) or Robert [III] de Tosny Lord of Stafford (see below).

1. BERTHE . Her marriage is confirmed by the charter dated [Sep/14 Oct] 1055 under which the monks of Marmoutier record the donations by “quemdam militem…Johannem pagi Cenomannensis indigenum, Widonis de Valle filium” of property “in Normannia, territorio Vilcassino…ecclesiam in villa…Guarniacus…juxta fluvium Eptæ” which “Wido pater eorum” accepted from “uxore sua Berta, Johannis et Haimonis matre”[1833]. Her connection with the Tosny family is confirmed by the charter dated 1063 which records the consent given by “Rotbertum de Toeniaco, avunculum domni Johanni monachi nostri, filii Widonis de Valle” to the donations by the latter to Marmoutier, authorised by “Berengerius filius eius”[1834]. The remaining question is the identity of her father. The date of her marriage is estimated from a charter dated 11 Nov 1039 in which her two grandsons are named (see the document MAINE for further details)[1835]. If this document is correctly dated (but this is open to debate, as discussed further in MAINE), it is extremely unlikely for Berthe to have been the daughter of Roger [I] de Tosny [Conches]. m ([1010/15]) as his first wife, GUY [I] Sire de Laval, son of — (-after 1064).

2. [BERENGER Hespina . The primary source which confirms his parentage has not yet been identified. His name suggests that he was the brother of Robert [II] de Tosny, whose son is also recorded with the name Berenger. 1050/1066. A charter of King Henry II records donations to York St Mary, including the donation of land “in Lestingeham…Spaunton, in Kyrkeby-Misperton…in Dalby…in Skaldena…in Lyndesey in Bek…in Bynbruc” by “Berengerius de Todeneye”[1836].] m —. The name of Berenger’s wife is not known. Berenger & his wife had one child:

a) BERENGER . The primary source which confirms his parentage has not yet been identified. A charter of King Henry II records donations to York St Mary, including the donation of land “in Finmara et…in Hunkleby et decimam suam de Dalton et juxta Chevermunt” by “Berengerius de Todenei”[1837].

3. ROBERT [II] de Tosny (-after 1063). His connection with the Tosny family is confirmed by the charter dated 1063 which records the consent given by “Rotbertum de Toeniaco, avunculum domni Johanni monachi nostri, filii Widonis de Valle” to the donations by the latter to Marmoutier, authorised by “Berengerius filius eius”[1838].

m —. The name of Robert’s wife is not known. Robert [II] & his wife had one child:

a) BERENGER (-after 1063). His parentage is confirmed by the charter dated 1063 which records the consent given by “Rotbertum de Toeniaco, avunculum domni Johanni monachi nostri, filii Widonis de Valle” to the donations by the latter to Marmoutier, authorised by “Berengerius filius eius”[1839].

 

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