Several archbishops of Besancon were de Rougemonts, and many were
their direct kin. Here is the ritual of the Brotherhood that they
say existed 900 years before Jesus was born.
Jon
Each year the knights of Saint-Georges will be
assembled in Besancon, the day indicated, in the room of the
Carmelite friars which was built for this purpose. Article V – As
MISTERS of the Magistrate of the town of Besancon have habit to send
two their aldermen wraps violet of it, with the secretary, to
compliment the assembly, one will send them to receive with the
first door of the cloister of the Carmelite friars, by two knights
who will introduce them into the room, where one will prepare to
them two armchairs with the left of the governor; and their finished
compliment, the same knights renew them to the place where they will
have received them; and the following day the governor will send two
knights to thank the magistrates.
The day of the
solemnity of the festival of Saint-Georges, the archbishops and
bishops will officiate pontificalement when they judge it by the
way; for the offerings the knights will go, with the foot of the
furnace bridge, kiss the relics between the hands of the archbishop
or bishop which will pontifiera, which will be able to have sat in
an armchair. With vespers, the knight who will have to succeed by
his row of seniority as barristers president to his predecessor,
will take again, at the same place, of the aforesaid archbishop or
bishop, the stick of the order
http://www.memodoc.com/articles-saint_georges.htm
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The Sisterhood of Rougemont
Jon Presco <braskewitz yahoo.com>
2006-03-29 21:43:20 GMT
The Sisterhood of Rougemont
Dear Daughter;
Thibaut and Humbert de Rougement were Bishops of Besancon and the
ancestors of Guillaume de Vienne who co-founded the Order of Saint-
George ‘Brotherhood of Rougemont’ that was taken over by the wrong
people during the Reformation. The Rougemonts fled to England and
Canada, where as members of the Canadian Parliament, they admitted
members into the Loyal Orange Order. Bennett Rosamond was a master
of the LOL.
Was there a ‘Sisterhood of Rougemont’? Jacquotte de Rougemont is
listed as a member of the Brotherhood and she is the sister of
Thibaut who was the Archbishop of Besancon, and the Chief, or,
President of the Brotherhood of Rougemont.
of Rougemont Thiébaud archbishop of Besancon 1449
of Rougemont Jacquotte sister of the precedent 1449
of Rougemont Jean-Guillaume knight 1449
Amedee de Dramelay/Tramelay was an archbishop of Besancon, and the
son of Templar Grand Master, Bernard de Tramelay. Fromond de
Dramelay married a Rougemont.
Many family members of the House of Orange were Knights of the
Brotherhood of Rougemont. After the Reformation, and the Huguenots
lost the battle of White Mountain, we lost the estates of our Rosy
ancestors. The Pope put loyal Catholics in our offices, and gave
them our land. The present religious order of Saint George, are
usurpers. One can say ‘The True Landlord’ has returned.
Within this house are the rightful White Friars of the Brotherhood
of Rougemont, who once were lost, are now found. Let us awaken the
sleeping kingdom.
We have endured the thorns for the love of our roses.
Love
http://gilles.maillet.free.fr/histoire/famille_bourgogne/famille_vienne.htm
http://www.mathematical.com/bourgogneguillaume1088.html
Rougemont Family Templars Worshipped at Fontenotte
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Rougemont Family Templars Worshipped at Fontenotte
http://rougeknights.blogspot.com/
Today I found the Templar Chapel of Fontenotte where the Rougemont
family of Knights Templar worshipped.
http://www.petit-patrimoine.com/fiche-petit-patrimoine.php?
id_pp=21231_3
This Templar Order came to own the Templar Seal of Etienne de Til-
Chatel.
http://www.ordotempli.org/the_first_preceptor.htm
In this genealogy we see the Lords of Rougemont are also the Lords of
Til-Chatel, and Trichatel which is the same place.
Allow me to change the names.
“The First Preceptor of La Fontenotte
The fifth son of Guy II of Rougemont and Guillemette de Coublant,
Etienne de Rougemont was lord of Pichanges. In December 1265, having
recalled the donations made to the temple by Aimon IV and Guy II, he
gave to the Templars, with the agreement of his elder brother, Jean,
Lord of Rougemont, the right of pasturage on his lands of Pichanges
and Spoy. He died in 1271 and was buried before the altar in the
chapel of Fontenotte and conferring his Templar rank of Preceptor
(priest-templar).
After the death of Etienne, Jean de Til-Chatel had to confirm in 1274
the rights of the Templars over Fontenotte. In 1278 his younger
brother, Guy, who had been curate of Til-Chatel in 1242 then
archdeacon of Le Tonnerois in the church of Langres, succeeded him at
the head of the lordship of Pichanges.
In May, 1274, Jean de Rougemont, Marshal of Burgundy legally
recorded “for the repose of his soul and that of his elder brother,
Etienne de Rougemont, who lies in the cemetery of the said Temple,
and of the souls of his forebears”, granted to Henri de Dole,
Commander of the House of Fontenotte:”
I have found a Hughes/Hue de Rougemont who a “grand maître du
Temple”in two accounts, and the maître du Temple of Burgundy in
another.This Hugues appears to be related to Humbert de Villersexel
who wasthe Lord of Rougemont and Til-Chatel. Is this the Hughes that
preceeded Bernard de Tramelay/Dramelay? Did this Hugues come after
Bernard. In the Fromond/Dramelay genealogy we find a line of De La
Roches, and thus the Rougemonts are kin to another Templar Grand
Master, Amaury de La Roche.
“Bernard de Tramelay (died August 16, 1153) was the fourth Grand
Master of the Knights Templar. He was born in the castle of Tramelay
near Saint-Claude in the Jura. According to Du Cange, he succeeded a
certain Hugues as Master of the Temple, although this Hugues is
otherwise unknown. He was elected Grand Master in June of 1151, after
the abdication of Everard des Barres, who had returned to France
following the Second Crusade.et”
“Hugues de Rougemont, grand maître du Temple””and Hugues de
Rougemont, large main of the Temple”
Humbert de Rougemont owned the Shroud of Turin. Humbert is a Hue name
and is kin to at least two Templar Grandmasters. Humbert was also the
Lord of Villersexel. He married the great granddaughter Geoffrey de
Charnay a Templar Grand Master. This is to say this Knights Templar
family, and thus the Knights Templars, owned and protected the Shroud
of Turin that they may have seized at Ascalon along with a great
treasure which would account for the large number of castle owned by
this very large Templar family. Never has such a constellation of
Knights Templars gathered in one place, under one roof as they did
come Sunday in Fontenotte.
Amaury and Othon de La Roche brought Jacque de Molay into the Templar
Order, the last Grand Master. Amaury disappears from history, it
alleged he was in keeping of the Templar Treasure. Did he go to
Holland where the Roesmont live, they members of the Swan Brethren
and Masters of Janskirk church?
“The legend says that it manages to escape and disparaitre
definitively at the same time as the Treasury and the secrecies of
Templiers.”
My search for my ancestor, Sergeant Rougemont, has led me to a
Templar family that was invisible. Sergeant was a Templar rank, a
title for a mayor of the Sungau, and a Seneschal. I have no direct
evident Sergeant Rougemont was kin to these Lords of Rougemont – as
yet!
“I have three separate pages for Rosamond families we believe are
descended from a Sergeant Rosamond, a Huguenot who left France in
1685 at the Revocation of the Edict of Nantes, and fought in the
Battle of the Boyne in Ireland in 1689. We have not yet been able to
definitively tie these three families together, but each family was
independently aware of the story of Sergeant Rosamond and claimed him
as an ancestor. We are hoping that as research continues we will find
records showing us the relationship between our families.”
(Images: Montfort Castle home to Humbert and Margaret de
Charny/Rougemont)”
June 1418: The widowed Margaret de Charny marries Humbert of
Villersexel, Count de la Roche, Lord of St.Hippolyte sur
Doubs.”Humbert de Villersexel is Humbert de Rougemont.
“1208 – Pons de la Roche presents to Amadeus de Tramelay, Archbishop
of Besançon, the Shroud that his son Othon de la Roche, Latin Duke of
Athens, had sent him from Constantinople.”Aymon 2 de Rougemont was
the Seigneur of Villersexel. He married Guillemette de Ray, the
daughter of Othon 2 de la Roche.Othon 1 de la Roche (-before 1161)
had a son named Pons de la Roche the Seigneur de Ray. He first
married Marguerite Tilchatel who may be a Rougemont who came to own
Til-Chatel. Guillaume, Gui, Humbert4, Gui 2, and Thibaut 6 were
Seigneurs of Til-Chatel. Othon then married Pontia de Rougemont/de
Dramelay the daughter of Thiebaud 2 de Rougemont. They has three
children. Humbert, Thiebaud, and Sibylle de la Roche. This union
makes the Shroud the Rougemont family icon, or relic.Jon
PrescoCopyright 2006
Amaury de La Roche fut grand prieur puis maître de la Maison du
Temple de Paris jusqu’en 1264, puis élu Grand maître de l’ordre du
Temple de 1265 à 1271[1
Amaury of the Rock was large host prior then of the Temple of Paris
until 1264, then elected Grand Master of the order of the Temple of
1265 to 1271[1]
http://gilles.maillet.free.fr/histoire/famille_bourgogne/famille_rouge
mont_faucogney.htm
http://www.covati.fr/Communes/Til-Chatel/patrimoine.htm
http://www.mantin.info/montfleur/histoire/montagna.aspx
“In 1260, Jean de Chalon gives his son ainé Hughes his strongholdsand
castles.””in liaison with Jean de Chalon, count de Bourgogne, Amé,
lord deColigny and of Andelot and Hugues de Rougemont, large main of
theTemple, by its seal the authenticity gave to a famous donation.
Itwas with that which Manassès de Coligny, brother of Amé, did with
theorder of the Temple, while being made there receive knight of
thesuzerainty of Montagna, BroissiaSeries B of the AD Besancon – 467
B – Montagna-the-Templar.Manasses Coligny recognizes, in the presence
of Jean Chalon, AméColigny, Point, prior of Gigny, and Hue de
Rougemont, master of theTemple in Burgundy, having resumed on the
order of the Temple landsMontagna , St. Fontaine and dependencies. An
1227(This charter offers the oldest text of the novel archives Doubs).
Concerned with the bishop of LangLMBO, they drew their origin from
Audon I of Til-Châtel, wire of Garnier count de Troyes attested into
918 by its signature in an act of the duke of Burgundy Richard. This
family, which carried like armorial bearings a key out of stake, also
paid homage to the dukes of Burgundy and held a row raised among the
lords of the duchy and county of Burgundy. Its members followed one
another of wire father until the year 1299 dates to which Isabelle of
Rochefort, girl of Left-handed person of Rochefort lord of Puiset in
Beauce, widow of Guy III of Til-Châtel Gonfalonier of the County of
Burgundy, became injury of Til-Châtel. It remaria with Humbert de
Rougemont about 1306 and Maria her Jeanne daughter whom it had had
with Guy III of Til-Châtel with Thiébaud de Rougemont wire of a first
marriage of her new husband. The seigniory passes then in this family
until the end of the 15° century time to which the last of Rougemont,
not having children yielded the seigniory to Antoine de Baissey
resulting from a family of Montsaugeonnais which immediately paid
homage to the bishop of Langres.”
http://www.crystalinks.com/holygrail.html
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~rosamondgenealogy/index2.htm
http://genforum.genealogy.com/roseman/messages/186.html
Bernard de Tramelay (died August 16, 1153) was the fourth Grand
Master of the Knights Templar. He was born in the castle of Tramelay
near Saint-Claude in the Jura. According to Du Cange, he succeeded a
certain Hugues as Master of the Temple, although this Hugues is
otherwise unknown. He was elected Grand Master in June of 1151, after
the abdication of Everard des Barres, who had returned to France
following the Second Crusade.
j
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bernard_de_Tremelay
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seneschal
About year 407, the kingdom of Burgundy is created by Gondicaire,
Christian barbarian chief come from in addition to the Rhine which
put an end to the Roman occupation. One does not know what occurs in
the village until year 801. At that time it depended on the bishop of
Langres Betto, which this year there, concedes the church of
Tilicastro and its incomes in Augustins de Saint-Etienne of Dijon.
Since this date, the name of the village east written according to
the mood of the scribes and the language employed, Latin or French,
Tylicastrum, Trichastel, Trichâteau, Trichâtel, Tilchastel,
Tréchâteau, and finally Til-Châtel in 1860, afterhaving been called
Mount-on-Bast for the revolutionary period.
Lords
Concerned with the bishop of LangLMBO, they drew their origin from
Audon I of Til-Châtel, wire of Garnier count de Troyes attested into
918 by its signature in an act of the duke of Burgundy Richard. This
family, which carried like armorial bearings a key out of stake, also
paid homage to the dukes of Burgundy and held a row raised among the
lords of the duchy and county of Burgundy. Its members followed one
another of wire father until the year 1299 dates to which Isabelle of
Rochefort, girl of Left-handed person of Rochefort lord of Puiset in
Beauce, widow of Guy III of Til-Châtel Gonfalonier of the County of
Burgundy, became injury of Til-Châtel. It remaria with Humbert de
Rougemont about 1306 and Maria her Jeanne daughter whom it had had
with Guy III of Til-Châtel with Thiébaud de Rougemont wire of a first
marriage of her new husband. The seigniory passes then in this family
until the end of the 15° century time to which the last of Rougemont,
not having children yielded the seigniory to Antoine de Baissey
resulting from a family of Montsaugeonnais which immediately paid
homage to the bishop of Langres.
In 1618, not having a descent, the last of Baissey left the ground of
Til-Châtel to his/her beautiful uterine brother Erard of Châtelet
which qualified it marquisat and gave it to his/her Antoine son. Put
in decree for payment of its debts it was acquired in 1663 by the
baron of Housset, in his turn put in decree in 1685. It was then
bought by its widow Marie d’ Aguesseau who in 1703 made of it gift
with her niece Catherine d’ Aguesseau married to Charles Marie de
SaulX, count de Tavannes whose descendants had Til-Châtel until the
revolution.
Amaury de La Roche fut grand prieur puis maître de la Maison du
Temple de Paris jusqu’en 1264, puis élu Grand maître de l’ordre du
Temple de 1265 à 1271[1
Amaury of the Rock was large host prior then of the Temple of Paris
until 1264, then elected Grand Master of the order of the Temple of
1265 to 1271[1]
Synopsis
[masquer]
1 Biography
2 Catalogue of films
3 Sources and references
4 See ausi
5 external Bonds
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Biography [to modify]
Amaury of the Rock is large host prior then of the Temple of Paris
until 1264. He is commander when Templiers settle with Ivry-the-
Temple at the beginning of XIIIe century. He is a friend and close
confidant of the king Louis IX of France (Louis Saint)
In 1265 Amaury of the Rock makes party with Humbert de Pairaud
(brother knight visitor of France andEngland) of those which
establish Jacques de Molay (future and last large maitre of the
Temple) inthe order of the Temple to the vault of Commanderie of
Beaune of the duchy of Burgundy.
Between 1265 to 1271 it is elected Grand Master of the order of the
Temple.
Between 1282 and 1291 he is tutor commander of the commandery of
Saint Etienne de Renneville.
Have beginning of XIVe century it is judged heretic at the time of
the lawsuit of the Order of the Temple made by the king Philippe IV
of France. It manages to fuire to rough-hew it or are brulés amongst
other things Geoffroy de Charny (Main of Templiers of Normandy) and
Jacques de Molay (last Large Master of Templier de France).
The legend says that it manages to escape and disparaitre
definitively at the same time as the Treasury and the secrecies of
Templiers.
[to modify] Catalogue of films
2001: I Cavalieri che Fecero Impresade de Pupi Avati (Italian film of
series B)
Sources and references [to modify]
“Divine Disappointment” by Keith Laidler
The Village
It is composed of several parts:
The borough located in the high part of the village limited by the
streets of the Charm to the east, the Barrier in the south, the
Borough and the lane Behind in the west and by the Coast in north. At
the interior of the borough there were the church and the priory now
disappeared, the street of the Feet Tag and the street of the Castle
which carried out to the fortress built at the top of the hillock
dominating the village and the valleys of the Bast and Ignon. It
comprised at the time of its splendour two large bye washes with
double drawbridge and several turns.
Today does not remain that the door of this castle transformed into
dwelling. The street with the Contributions connected the borough to
the Agrippa way and the village which had been gradually built in
edge of this one. The village extended in edge from the Agrippa way
where as of the 12° century had been built the vault Our-injury
around which House-God hospital and his dependences had come to
settle. Sold like national good at the time revolutionist, these
buildings remain and one can see a part of it places Hillock and
street of the Hospital. Other more recent constructions remain, in
particular of time rebirth. While descending the street from
Downstream one passes the level on which various mills existed and
one joined the site of old Castrum which was evoked above.
Beyond the river at the exit of the village the site of Maladrerie
where the leprous ones were received and looked after remains, but
there do not remain about it apparent vestiges. The village today
comprises more than 800 inhabitants, it extended in direction from
Langres in north, of the Forging mill in the North-East, Lux in the
East and Marcilly in the west.The Church Florent Saint Located near
the castle on the spur dominating the village, we saw higher than it
was mentioned as of year 801 in a charter of Betto, bishop of Langres
which conceded the benefit of them with the abbey Saint Etienne of
Dijon. During following centuries, it received many donations and was
increased with the XI° & XII° centuries, the access to the church
which comprised only one short nave being done by the decorated
southern gate of a tympanum representing a Christ in majesty
surrounded of four angels carrying the mark of the Pierre sculptor of
Dijon.
Towards the end of the XII° century, the nave was increased, giving
to this Romance church its current aspect. The large surmounted
western gate of a circular semi archivolt developing 5 rollers whose
ends put back each sides on as many rollers crowning of fine round
columns, all different.This arcade surrounds a tympanum representing
Christ sitting, pressing with the feet the symbol of the sin and
surrounded of animals symbolizing the 4 evangelists.
During this work on May 15, 1146, the workmen discovered a stone
coffin containing a skeleton. According to the legend, one among
them, named Remy, which handled without respect this body fell to the
shift and remained paralysed, its comrades had the idea to carry out
it to the furnace bridge of Florent Saint where the mason, having
acknowledged his fault was cured. Crowd shouted with the miracle and
a child being exclaimed “Honoratus”, this name was given to the saint
contained in the tomb which was placed in the southern part of the
transept. Thereafter several miracles occurred and Honore designated
as second owner of the church. A mounting out of carved and painted
wooden points out its legend. During centuries, many repair work or
consolidation was carried out in the church.
During the XIX° century it was in sorry state and at the request of
Viollet-the-Duke an important restoration campaign was undertaken in
the years 1868-1869. It was carried out by her son-in-law Maurice
Ouradou who put the church in his current state and saved essence of
it, in particular general architecture and the remarkable capitals.
We will not make description of it here. Let us note however that in
addition to the reliquaries of patron saint it contains God of carved
wood Pity of the XI° century, a martyrdom out of wooden of XVII°
siècle, a triptych painted on wood offered by Jehan Morelet signed
per T Claudon, of many tombstones of which that of GUI III of Til-
Châtel dated from 1240, the baptismal font of the XII° century of
octagonal form and several fragments of murals which would have been
carried out XV° with the XVII° century.
Fontenotte
Located on the way Clutched to approximately 2 km in direction of
Dijon, this field, old villa Roman comprised several sources of which
one was connected site of Ogne by a drain whose vestiges were found
during excavations carried out on this site. In 1170, Aimon IV or
Amé, lord of Til-Châtel, leaving for the crusade gave to Templiers
Fontenotte and all its territory in order to ensure the rest of its
heart.A commandery templière, dependent on that of Bore-hole was then
built. She was built around a central court comprising différents
buildings apartment, hangar, barn, stables building at right angles,
turn, a vault dedicated to Sainte Pétronille and a surrounding wall.
She profited during centuries from many donations and at the time of
the suppression of the order of the Temple in 1311 was allotted to
the order of Malta. Consequently, the field of Fontenotte was managed
by farmers until the Revolution. At that time, the field was sold
like national good. Become farm, it was managed by its owners, either
directly, or in tenant farming, until 1971. With this date it was
sold, the buildings and the grounds being yielded separately. During
years 1960, the vault had been dismounted by the care of the abbot
Henri Latour, then cleaned of Saint-Pierre in Dijon, wire of the
owner and increase in the enclosure of the field of the Sheep-fold
with Corcelles the Mounts. A moulding of the tombstone of Etienne de
Til-Châtel was carried out, it is visible in the Saint-Florent church.
(the property is not opened with the visit)
Bibliography:
Roussel abbot, History of the Bishops of Langres, Langres 1844
Clement Janin, History of Til-Châtel, manuscript preserved at the
town hall.
Rene Viard, My village in the History, manuscript.
A.Huguenin, Til-Chatel, lords, Holy Florent and Saint Honore,
Printing works of the Typographical Union in Dijon
Yvonne Latour, Delivers of Family, Darantière 1978.
Henri de Faget de Casteljau, the lords de féaux Til-Châtel of Langres
to the steps of two Burgundies X°-XV° centuries in Books Haut-Marnais
n° 143,144 & 146.
Jean-Marie Buquet, her various studies on the village and Fontenotte
in the Bond, municipal magazine 29/03/04.
. Every Grand Master seal shares distinctive characteristics. In
order to avoid misuse, special measures were taken regarding the
seals. They were kept in a locked compartment which required three
keys to open. The Grand Master himself kept one of these keys, and
two of his high officials held the others. The forgery of the seals
was a very difficult process because each seal was unique and hand
made.
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Rougemonts owned the Shroud of Turin
Posted by: John Presco (ID *****9923)
Date: January 27, 2007 at 08:51:32
of 191
http://gilles.maillet.free.fr/histoire/famille_bourgogne/famille_vienn
e.htm
http://gilles.maillet.free.fr/histoire/famille_bourgogne/comte_dela_ro
che.htm
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~jamesdow/s058/f508746.htm
http://genealogy.euweb.cz/french/neufchtl1.html
http://gilles.maillet.free.fr/histoire/famille_bourgogne/famille_rouge
mont_faucogney.htm
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~jamesdow/s058/f508746.htm1.
OTHON (-after 1251). Seigneur de Ray 1239. Lord of Argos and
Navplion, which he relinquished in 1251 to his brother Guy and
returned to Burgundy. m (before 1239) MARGUERITE de Tilchatel,
daughter of GUY II de Tilchatel & his wife Guillemette de Bourbonne.
http://www.covati.fr/Communes/Til-Chatel/patrimoine.htm
http://gilles.maillet.free.fr/histoire/famille_bourgogne/famille_dela_
roche_ognon.htm
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~jamesdow/s016/f017493.htm
1208 – Pons de la Roche presents to Amadeus de Tramelay, Archbishop
of Besançon, the Shroud that his son Othon de la Roche, Latin Duke of
Athens, had sent him from Constantinople.1314 – The Templars, an
Order of the Crusade Knights, are sent to the stake as heretics and
accused to secretly worship the Face that seems to be reproduced from
the Shroud. One of them was called Geoffroy de Charny.1349 – On March
6 during the fire of the Besançon Cathedral the Shroud
disappears.Lirey – The Chapelle (ML)1356 – Geoffroy de Charny, a
crusade knight having the same name as the previous one, deliveries
the Shroud to the canons of Lirey, near Troyes in France. The
precious cloth has been in his possession for at least three years.
His wife, Jeanne de Vergy, is a grand-niece of Othon de la
Roche.1389 – Pierre d’Arcis, bishop of Troyes, forbids the Exhibition
of the”SUCCESSIVE OWNERS OF THE SHROUDThe first known owner of the
Shroud in France in the 1350s was Geoffrey de Charney, who died in
1356; the name of Jacques de Molay’s fellow martyr was Geoffroi de
Chamey. If the Shroud had been brought to France from Constantinople
by the Knights Templar, who had so recently been suppressed on
charges of heresy, it is understandable why the de Chameys were
reluctant to declare its origins. In The Shroud and the Grail, Noel
Currer-Briggs, founder member of the Association of Genealogists and
Record Agents and a Fellow of the Society of Genealogists, produces
proof that Geoffrey de Charney was the nephew of Jacques de Molay’s
companion in death, Geoffroi de Charney, Templar Master of Normandy.
He also shows that this family are intimately linked by ties of blood
and marriage with the families of Brienne, de Joinville and Burgundy.
Could it be that Rex Deus ensured the preservation of the Shroud in
the certain knowledge that, sooner or later, it would play an
important part in disclosing that Jesus came to reveal the pathway to
initiation and not to make any form of redemptive sacrifice?The last
member of the de Chamey line, the 72-year-old Marguerite de Charney,
was childless when, in 1453, Duke Louis of Savoy ceded to her the
Castle of Varanbon and the revenues of the estate of Miribel in
return for certain `valuable services’, which included Marguerite’s
gift to the duke of the Shroud. Geoffrey II de Chamey and
Marguerite’s second husband, Humbert de Villersexel, had both been
created knights of the Order of the Collar of Savoy by earlier dukes
2 Marguerite de Chamey had found a noble and trusted family to ensure
the preservation of this remarkable relic, as the House of Savoy were
Rex Deus.In 1418, Humbert of Villersexel, Count de la Roche, Lord of
Saint-Hippolyte-sur-Doubs, moved the shroud to his castle at
Montfort, France to provide protection against criminal bands, after
he married Charny’s granddaughter. It was later moved to Saint-
Hippolyte-sur-Doubs. After Humbert’s death, canons of Lirey fought
through the courts to force the widow to return the cloth, but the
parliament of Dole and the Court of Besançon left it to the widow,
who travelled with the shroud to various expositions, notably in
Liege and Geneva.The widow sold the image in exchange for a castle in
Varambon, France in 1453. Louis of Savoy, the new owner, stored it in
his capital at Chambery in the newly built Saint-Chapelle, which Pope
Paul II shortly thereafter raised to the dignity of a collegiate
church. In 1464, the duke agreed to pay an annual fee to the Lirey
canons in exchange for their dropping claims of ownership of the
cloth. Beginning in 1471, the shroud was moved between many cities of
Europe, being housed briefly in Vercelli, Turin, Ivrea, Susa,
Chambery, Avigliano, Rivoli and Pinerolo. A description of the cloth
by two sacristans of the Sainte-Chapelle from around this time noted
that it was stored in a reliquary: “enveloped in a red silk drape,
and kept in a case covered with crimson velours, decorated with
silver-gilt nails, and locked with a golden key”.Both decide in
favour of Marguarite de Charny. The canons refuse to accept this
judgment, and ask for the excommunication of Marguarite de Charny. In
1459 they abandon their claim in return for financial compensation.
The quarrel had lasted 21
years.
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avoisy, Mabille de Birth : BEF 1230 Gender:
FemaleFamily:Spouse:Charny, Hugues de Mont_St._Jean SireBirth : AFT
1211 Death : 1271/1274 Gender: MaleParents:Father: Charny, Pons de
Mont_St._Jean SeigneurMother: Noyers, Sybille deChildren:Charny,
Dreux de Mont_St._Jean SeigneurCharny, Geoffroy de TemplarBirth :
1251 Death : 1314 Gender: Male Savoisy, Jeanne de Charny DameSavoisy,
Jean I Charny Seigneur Birth : AFT 1277 Gender: MaleParents:Father:
Charny, Dreux de Mont_St._Jean SeigneurMother: Joinville, Marguerite
deFamily:Children:Charny, Jean II Mont_St._Jean SireCharny, Dreux II
Mont_St._Jean SeigneurSavoisy, Geoffroy I Charny SeigneurSavoisy,
Marguerite de Charny Dame Birth : 1390 Death : 1460 Gender:
FemaleParents:Father: Savoisy, Geoffroy II Charny
SeigneurFamily:Spouse:Montfort, Jean de Bauffremont SeigneurBirth :
BEF 1385 Death : 1415 AgincourtGender: MaleFamily:Marriage: 1416
Spouse:en_Montagne, Humbert Villersexel Roche ComteBirth : BEF 1385
Death : 1437 Gender: MaleThe Archbishops of Besancon1221-1225 :
Gérard de Rougemont1225-1227 : Jean 1er HAlgrin1229-1235 : Nicolas de
Flavigny1236-1241 : Geoffroy1245-1268 : Guillaume II de la Tour1269-
1301 : Eudes de Rougemont1302-1311 : Hugues de Chalon (ex évêque de
Liège)1312-1333 : Vital de Maignaut1333-1355 : Hugues VI de
Vienne1355-1361 : Jean IIII de Vienne1361-1362 : Louis de
Montbéliard1363-1370 : Aymon de Villersexel1371-1391 : Guillaume II
de Vergy1391-1404 : Gerard III d’Athies1405-1429 : Thiébaudde
Rougemont
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posted by Jon Presco 4:02 PM 0 commentsWednesday, November 15, 2006
The Rougemonts
The Premiere Shroud Familyby
Jon Presco Copyright 2003
Bernard de Tramelay/Dramelay was a Grand Master of the Knight
Templars who is said to have died just after he and forty Knight
Templars breached the walls of Ascalon during the Crusades.
Information on Bernard is very scarce, it suggested his greed got him
and the forty Templars killed, as the first to conquer a city got the
lion’s share of the spoils. There is a suggestion there was a falling
out between the Templars and the Christian forces who did not follow
Bernard into the breach. When the Muslim defenders saw this, they
closed on Bernard who I suspect was trying to capture the Ark of the
Covenant that Joseph Flavius said was in Ascalon. The Templars were
very keen to own the Ark, and when they first arrived at the temple
grounds they began to dig extensively, especially atop the Mount of
Olives where they built a substantial fortress. Did they suspect what
I have put forth, that the Ark was either the Oracle of Delphi, or
kin to this object and the process which allowed great men and women
to see their fate?
I suspect Absalom was an Oracle, the angel Ariel/Uriel.For two years
now I have been looking at the name Fromond de Dramelay who married
a “dame de Rougemont”. He is shown in many genealogies (including a
Rougemont chart) to be the son of Amedee, the Archbishop of Besancon,
which is located fifty miles or so from Rougemont in the Franche-
Comte where it is said Bernard was born. His father was named
Humbert. All the Humbert names I have found on the net belong to the
Ferrette/Rougemont family. Several Rougemonts were the Archbishops of
Besancon.The Templars were also in possession of the Shroud of Turin
that was given to Amedee by Othen de la Roche (of the small rock). It
has been concluded that Bernard de Tramelay is the related to Amedee.
The de la Roche family is kin to the Rougemont and Dramelay family.
j.Jean de Montreaux (Montrose) married Marguerite de Rougemont. Jean
is a Ferrette who built Montreux castle that is fifty miles from
Rougemont. Their daughter Alix married Fromond of Saint-Loup where
the Templars are said to have brought their treasure. The Marquis
d’Auxelles came to live in the rebuilt castle of Rougemont. Chambrun
d’Uxeloup de Rougemont bought Arginy castle and began to look for the
lost Templar treasure. The name Uxeloup come from Saint-Loup and
Auxelles a castle that was built by the Ferrette family who dwelt in
Rougemont castle. Members of the ‘Arginy Renaissance’ are said to be
descendants from Knight Templars, even a Grand Master in regards to
Guillaume de Beajeau, but, I suspect this group knew who Bernard
Tramelay was…..and what he captured at Ascalon?Marguerite de Saint
Loup d’Auxelles married Thibaut 4 of Rougemont. Richard d’Auxelles
married Thibaut’s daughter, Helvuis, whose grandfather was Humbert.
This Humbert appears to be the Archbishop of Besancon, a name that
means “house of light”. Here is a quote about the Rougemonts and
Counts of Champagne who commisioned some of the Grail legends; “By
skillful policy, “always acquiring never alienating” the family
formed matrimonial alliances with the great families, Montbeliard,
Commercy, Chatteauvillian, Geroldseck, Chalon-Auxere, Montague, Ray,
Rougemont, Joinville, and Grandson.”Shroud of Turin and Knights of
Saint-George
The Knights of Saint-George met at Rougemont Castle and had a room in
a tower in Besancon. The Archbishop of Besancon resided over a ritual
there that involved ceratin relics. Was the Shroud of Turnin one of
them?”A room in the tower of Montmartin was granted to him by a
treaty with the town of Besancon, as well as the exemption of the
housing of people of war for the knights residing in Besancon. The
knights of Saint-George were besides only noble city of Besancon has
to profit from this inappreciable privilege.”These portraits like
that of the prince of COP, special guard of the brotherhood decorated
the superb room with the Large Carmelite friars of Besancon,
unfortunately destroyed at the time of the Revolution. The plank of
the woodworks of the room was decorated series of the blasonnés ecus
of the alive knights, with their confined inscriptions of their four
districts, which one descended at the time of their death to be
carried in ceremony with the church, then suspended with their row in
the nave where one saw a great number of it which had decorated a
long time the vault with Rougemont.”Archbishops of Besancon1180-
1190 : Thierry II de Montfaucon1191-1193 : Etienne de Vienne1993-
1220 : Amédée de Tramelay1221-1225 : Gérard de Rougemont
Count Of Hugh De VIENNE7,64,72,242 was born about 900 in Troyes,
Aube, France. He died about 948. Name Suffix: Count Of OCCU Count of
Vienne … SOUR Royalty for Commone rs, Roderick W. Stuart
HAWKINS.GED PAGE 132 QUAY 1 SOUR HAWKINS.GED COMYNJ .TAF
(Compuserve), p. 9 says BEF 966 Royalty for Commoners, Roderick W.
Stuart , p. 132 Count Palatine of Burgundy – Royalty for Commoners,
Roderick W. Stuar t, p. 132 DATE 5 MAY 2000 Parents: Count Of Garnier
TROYES and Teutberga D’ ARLES. Parents: Count Of Garnier TROYES and
Teutberga De ARLES. Parents: Thistburge DE ARLES.
Spouse: Princess Of Tuscany Willa Di TOSCANA. Count Of Hugh De VIENNE
and Princess Of Tuscany Willa Di TOSCANA were married in 927.
Children were: Humbert Hubert Umberto DE VIENNE.
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