After I married Mary Ann Tharaldsen , we flew to New York to meet her parents. They were not to happy we did not inform them we were getting married. Mary Ann’s father was very much into his ancestor, Eric the Red, and had done extensive genealogical reasearch. You could say he was a fanatic, like I would turn out to be. He let me know in detail I had married into a noble and famous Norwegian family. He then asked about my ancestors. He was not impressed. No one jumped out at him – from a Viking vessel.
If only he had a say so in who his royal daughter married, like he did in her first marriage to Britt’s father whose name and surname, escapes me. He was blonde and Germanic. They adopted a Eskimo boy, and Eric, an orphan, whom they may have named after Eric the Red who encountered Eskimos on his voyages.
Erik the Red (Eirik Raude) Thorvaldsson (950 – 1003
Sola, Rogaland, Norway
Died 1003 in Greenland
I met Mary Ann when my neighbor told me she was looking for someone to plant a vegetable garden for her. Two days later she has dropped me off at my house and has come in to look at my paintings. Right away she notices my drafting tools and is rifling through my drawings of Atlantis.
“What are these?” she asks excitedly.
“Oh. That’s just my hobby. I’m drawing my vision of Atlantis.
“These are incredible!” Mary Ann raved. “I studied architecture at Cornell. How many drawings do you have?”
“Abut fifty.” I answered, and pulled a stack of drawings from under the bed.”
“These are worthy of a thesis at any university. Amazing!”
Mary Ann was a member of Mensa, and bid me take a test. In her mind, I had to be a genius. I mean, I was her discovery, her gardener, who lived in a shack in back of a house in Hispanic Oakland. What was I doing there?
Above is the Wieneke coat of arms depicting a hand holding a bunch of grapes over a ocean. Rosemary told me her mother, born Mary Magdalene Wienke, told her the Wieneke family owned castles on the Hephood Heil a river in Germany. We were of a noble linage. It appears my ex-wife is my kindred via Paula Maureen Sullivan whose name comes from her mother, Marianne Wieneke, who married Dave Tharaldson, and born two sons, Erin,and Eric Tharaldson.
What is interesting is Leif ‘son of Eric the Red’ had a German foster father, named Tryker who allegedly found grapes on Vineland, and made wine from theese grapes – and got drunk! Is it possible the Wieneke family descend from Tryker who adopted Leif?
Add to this the Vikings were called “sea rovers” from which the Rover family got its name, and the Rosemondt cote of arms that depicts a walking wolf – a rover- then what was cast asunder is being reattached to THE BRANCH of THE VINE. Now add the Oera Lind books, Jon the sea-king, and Rosamond the Folk Mother who descend from the survivors of Atland, the Frisian Atlantis, and my family is a LIVING LEGEND that influence the tales of King Arthur, and Tolkien.
Last but not least, we have the Swan Brethren who commissioned Bosch to render the Wedding Banquet at Cana, where Jesus turned water into wine. Members of the Rosemondt and Roover family are in this painting. The Swan Knight was the son of Lohengrin, the son of Parsival, who found the Grail from wence Jesus took a sip of wine, denoting his time was near, because like John the Baptist, Jesus was a Nazarite for life.
Look at the women in my family, and then behold St. Anne and Mary beholding Jesus. Anna took the Naaarite vow for her womb had been closed, and she was old in years, like Hannah and Elizabeth, the mother of John.
The grandmother of Jesus, was a Nazarite.
What is in a name MARY ANN? I looked at the possibility I was the reincarnation of Leonardo Da Vinci because of my many talents. Whe did he look like when he was twenty four?
Mary Ann was an accomplished artist who befriended Mimi Baez and Richard farina at Cornell. She did a life-size portrait of Mimi, who I consider one of the most beautiful woman that ever lived. Mary Ann captured her inner beauty. I married the right woman, whom I loved.
My kindred, Elizabeth Rosemond Taylor, is kin to Mary Ann and Eric the Red. Look at all these Maidens of the Vine, who are kin to Mary Magdalene Rose of the World!
What is truly extraordinary, the Rosamond family were members of the Swiss Guild, Rebleuten-Zunft, that depicts a walking wolf holding a rebuten, a knife used for cutting grapes. St. Urban is the patron saint of this guild, and he is depcited holding a bunch of grapes.
Many folks are claiming America, saying it belongs to their ilk. But….the Red Rose and the Red Vine….may own the world.
Jon the Nazarite
“Why, my fosterer,” cried Leif, “have you come so late? What made you leave your companions!” Tyrker answered in German, but when remembering that the Norsemen could not understand him, he spoke, after some time, in their tongue: “I have not gone very far; still I have some news for you. I have discovered vines loaded with grapes.” “Are you telling the truth, my foster-father?” exclaimed Leif. “I am sure of telling the truth,” Tyrker said, “for in my native land there are vines in plenty.” This caused Leif to give the country the name of Vinland.
In the Spring preparations were made for de-
parture, but before leaving, on account of its fruit-
fulness in grapes, he named the country “Vineland^
That night they devoted themselves to sleep and
on the following morning Leif said to his men:
“We have now two matters to attend to, to gather
grapes and fell timber, and have it ready for the
loading of the vessel.” All were delighted, and
the ship’s long boat was filled with grapes and the
vessel with timber.^
Iceland, like Greenland, was discoved by the Northmen by accident.
Naddod, a sea rover, was driven upon its coasts by a storm. He named
it Snoeland (Snowland). In 864 Gardar Svafarson, another rover, was
carried there by a storm, and after circumnavigating it named it Gardar-
holm (Gardar’s isle). He was followed by Flokko, a Viking, who planted
a colony there. He remained only a year, but ten years later Earl Ingolf,
fleeing from the wrath of King Harold Haarfager of Norway, planted
another colony, which proved the foundation of Iceland as a State. The
old Vikings seem to have been an irascible lot. Earl Ingolf, like Erik
the Red, had to leave Norway on account of a murder he had committed.
“This James (or Jacob, for these names were once interchangeable) was the son of Hans Ulrich Rosemond, born 1623, a weaver; who was a son of Hans, a weaver, born 1581; who was a son of Fred Rosemond, born 1552, a weaver, member of town council and a local captain; who was the son of another Hans whose date of birth is not known, but he too, was a weaver and became a citizen of Basle in 1534. His father was Erhart de Rougemont who bought in 1495 “the house called Rebleuten-Zunft in Basle in the Freistrasse.
in Basle in the Freistrasse”
Swolder on the Pomeranian coast, or in Orcsund, be-
tween Zealand and Skane. When Olaf Trygvasson
saw that all was lost he threw himself, armed as he
was, from his vessel, The Long Serpent^ into the sea.
The sagas say that he was rescued by divers, made
a pilgrimage to Rome and Jerusalem, and spent
twenty-four years of his life as an abbot in a Syrian
or Egyptian monastery.^ Eric and Svend after
these events received the greater part of Norway
as their fief.
neared the rock they cast anchor and sent out the
small boat. Tyrker asked the shipwrecked men
who was their leader. They replied, Thorer, of Nor-
wegian birth. In return Thorer asked their names,
and when he heard that of Leif, asked if he
were the son of Erik the Red.
Tyrker (or Tyrkir) is a character mentioned in the Norse Saga of the Greenlanders and German historical legend He accompanied Leif on his voyage of discovery around the year 1000, and is portrayed as an older German male servant. He is referred to as “foster father” by Leif Ericson, which may indicate he was a freed thrall, who once had the responsibility of looking after and rearing the young Leif.
Leif and his company wintered in the New World after building Leifsbudir (Leif’s dwellings), perhaps somewhere in Newfoundland or the adjacent area. According to the saga, he divided his men into two parties, which took turns in exploring the neighborhood. He cautioned his followers to keep together and return to sleep at their quarters. One evening Tyrker did not return with his party. Greatly distraught, Leif, at the head of twelve men, went in search of him, and he had not gone far when he discovered the old German, greatly excited, gesticulating wildly, and evidently drunk. “Why, my fosterer,” cried Leif, “have you come so late? What made you leave your companions!” Tyrker answered in German, but when remembering that the Norsemen could not understand him, he spoke, after some time, in their tongue: “I have not gone very far; still I have some news for you. I have discovered vines loaded with grapes.” “Are you telling the truth, my foster-father?” exclaimed Leif. “I am sure of telling the truth,” Tyrker said, “for in my native land there are vines in plenty.” This caused Leif to give the country the name of Vinland.
A thousand years ago this year, Europeans, probably for the first time, explored the North American mainland. I have undertaken in this regard to write a few notes for The Icelandic Club of Queensland web page in order to provide some information on the historical account of the ‘VÍNLAND’-find. This I will do at the tail end of these notes, by loosely transcribing the narration from the Icelandic Sagas.
THE VINLAND FIND IN THE CONTEXT OF OTHER VIKING EXPLORATIONS AND SETLEMENTS AND ‘VIKING’ SETTLEMENTS LONG BEFORE THE ‘VIKING AGE’
The period between 793, when a Norwegian band raided the monastery of Lindesfairne and 1066, when William the Conqueror seized the throne of England, is commonly known as the Viking age.
The meaning of the terminology Viking is not precisely known, it probably derives from Vik = cove or bay, but Scandinavians never referred to themselves as vikings, rather they went a-viking. This activity took them all over Europe into Asia (=Gods’ country, – derived from Ás = god, plural Æsir) and eventually America, (From Gods’ Country to ‘God’s own Country’). This mobility of Scandinavians however was by no means confined within this period; they had been on the move long before, trading, raiding and settling in new areas, sometimes peacefully and sometimes not.
Anglons, Juts and Saxons for example left their lands in southern and western Jutland and northern and northwestern Germany / Holland around 500 to 700 to settle in England.
The ballad of Beowulf recounts that the Geats (Gautar) raided the Frisians, and that Hygelac (Hugleikur) their leader was killed in that raid. This was corroborated by the historian Gregory of Tours (d 594) who dated the death of Hygelac, latinized to Clochilaichus, as ca 521.
Howard D. Chickering, an authority on the Beowulf ballad wrote. “It was through the early East Anglian court that detailed knowledge of Scandinavian tribal history in Beowolf became available in England? Wehha as the first king to rule over them in England, his son was Wuffa, from whom the dynasty took its name, the Wuffingas. These names correspond roughly to Weohstan (icel. Vésteinn), Wiglaf (icel. Vígleifur) and the Wylfingas in Beowulf (icel.Ylfingar = the name of the original Swedish line of kings). It is conceivable that the Geats (in Swedish, the Gauts) who lived near Uppsala, migrated to Anglia under the leadership of Weohstan or Wiglaf, bringing with them Swedish heirlooms that were later buried at Sutton Hoo (sometime in the 6th century). Perhaps they left Gautland after a disastrous defeat by the Swedes, as prophesied at the end of Beowulf.” (Chickering,. 1977 p 249)
Swedes also traded and raided on the southern shores of the Baltic. Later they established fortified towns on the Russian rivers to allow trade to flourish with Arabs, Bulgars, the Byzantine Empire and the Silk Route to China, thus forging the foundations of the Russian state, besides giving it – its name. “In fact it was the Swedes who actually created the future Russian State by founding the great Russian cities of European Russia – Novgorod (=New Fortress. ‘Garður’ has two meanings in Icelandic (= old Danish the language of these people) = garden and fence), Kiev (=flat bottomed boat = shallows), Smolensk (=Narrow lands, valleys)–” (Magnusson 1976 p 27) (Inserts in italics are mine).
Norwegians and Danes had settled among the Picts in both Shetland and the Orkneys long before the Viking era, as excavations in these areas prove. “The archeological record suggests a process of peaceful assimilation; the earliest layers of Norse occupation have yielded almost no traces of weapons”. (Magnusson, ibid)
During the ‘Viking’ era, the outward push resulted in extensive Scandinavian settlements being established in Ireland, Scotland, England and France as well as colonization of previously uninhabited areas in the Faeroe Islands, Iceland and Greenland and an attempt at settlement in Vínland on the North American mainland.
This beachhead settlement on the North American mainland lasted only for a few years “…indeed, the very next year (i.e. 1001) Leif’s brother Thorvaldur led an expedition to Vínland, but was killed by an arrow in a skirmish with a group of native Americans. Thorfinnur Karlsefni is said to have established a settlement of between 60 and 160 people a few years later, but it seems to have lasted only about three years. The continued hostility of the indigenous population, whom the Vikings called Skrœlingjar, a somewhat derogatory term, was undoubtedly a factor in its collapse, but supply routes with the home base in Greenland seem also to have been overstretched.” (Graham-Campbell,1994 p 177)
The Icelandic Sagas provide three accounts of the Vínland – find (not discovery, since there were indigenous people there already), and they tell of several attempts to establish a Norse colony there. The three accounts are to be found in Eiríks Saga Rauða = History of Eric the Red, Grœnlendinga Saga = History of the Greenlanders and Grœnlendinga þáttur = Section on Greenlanders.
These concur in contributing the first exploration of the north American mainland to Leif the lucky Ericson, after Bjarni Herjolfsson had seen it from the sea but not landed there.
‘Leifur was son of Eiríkur Þorvaldsson (Thorvaldsson), son of Astvaldur son of Ulfur son of Öxna-Þorir. Eiríkur and Þorvaldur having been outlawed by Gulathing in Norway for a killing, left for Iceland and settled at Drangar in Hornstrandir, a remote and bleak area in northwestern Iceland.
In Iceland Eiríkur married Þjóðhildur (Thjothhilder) Jörund’s-dóttir, Jörund was son of Úlf who was married to Þorbjörg knarrarbringa, later married to Þorbjörn in Haukadal. When Eirik’s father died, Eiríkur and his wife left Hornstrandir to settle at Eiríksstaðir in Dalir, near Þorbjörn and Þorbjörg.’ Information compiled from Eiríks Saga Rauða = History of Eric the Red
The genealogies, which abound in the introduction to each Saga, serve to establish the characters standing in society and give links to the reader’s own family history. We may, for example understand from Eric’s genealogy and the fact that he and his father were relegated to Hornstrandir when they first came to settle in Iceland, that he did not belong to the ruling class or to a powerful ancestry. Þorbjörn in Haukadal however did, being son of Vifill, a Celtic gentleman who had come to Iceland with Auður djúpúðga (the deep minded = the intelligent) and most of Þorstein’s children. Auður was a widow of Olafur hvíti (the white) king in Dublin and mother of Þorsteinn Rauður (red) king in Scotland (the Islands, Ross, Cathness) who was killed in a battle in Scotland. The later ‘earls of the Isles’ belong to this family. Þorbjörn in Haukadal had a daughter Guðríður (Gudrid) who first married Þorsteinn, Leif Eríksson’s brother and after having been widowed married Thorfinnur Karlsefni who we will read about later.
Leifur, his brothers, Þorsteinn and Þorvaldur, as well as their sister Freydís were borne and raised in Hornstrandir and Dalir.
Eiríkur got himself into trouble in Iceland for a killing, the same he had previously done in Jœren in Norway, and was outlawed for three years. He left for Greenland, which had been seen on the horizon by fishermen. After three years he returned to encourage settlement in Greenland.
According to Ari Þorgilsson (a very reliable Icelandic historian / written 1111) 25 ships left Breiðafjörður in western Iceland to settle in Greenland. This was in 985. 14 of these ships reached their destination while others were driven back and some got lost in severe weather encountered at sea.
The ‘History of Greenlanders’ gives the following account of Leif’s exploration of the American mainland in a loose translation or trans-scribtion rather than translation. All name spelling is Anglicized for ease of both writing and reading.
…’Leif met with Bjarni Herjolfsson, bought his ship and hired a crew of 35. Among them was a ‘Southerner’ from Germany named Tyrkir, who had been with Eric and his family for years. They sailed west from Greenland and came first to the land that Bjarni’s crew had seen last on the horizon. In that area they found glaciers at elevated levels and stony ground between the sea and the snows. The area was void of plants. This land they deemed useless and called it Helluland (Stoneland / = Baffinland). They boarded the ship again and followed the current south until they saw another shore. This land was low and flat, forested and had white sand beaches. This land they called Markland (Forestland = / Labrador). Then they sailed two more days with a northerly wind filling the sail, before they saw another shore. Here they sailed up to the land and found an island just north of a mainland peninsula (Cape Breton Island?). They sailed through the sound separating the island from the mainland, heading west. Here they encountered enormous flats exposed on the out-tide and beached the ship. From the ship there was a long way to the sea on low tide. They walked over the flats to the land, to an area where a river entered the shore flowing from an inland lake (Bras d’Or Lake?). On high tide they rowed out to their ship and moved it up river into the lake where they anchored it, and set about to build a large hall.
Both the river and the lake were good salmon fishing waters. This land was beautiful and there was no need to gather hay for winter, since they did not experience any frost. Length of day and night was more even, than both in Greenland and Iceland.
When they had finished the building, Leif split the group into two, one half to explore the area during daylight hours returning by nightfall, while the other stayed home. Those that went exploring were to stay together. Thus they continued for some time alternating staying at home and going exploring. One evening they returned with Tyrkir missing. Leif left with twelve men to look for him and found him returning in good spirit not far away. Leif asked why he had not returned with the group. Tyrkir answered that he had walked not much farther than the group, where he found grapevines and grapes. Are you telling the truth? asked Leif. Of cause I am, he answered I was born and bred in a wine-growing area.
The following morning Leif gave one group the task to pick grapes and the other to fell trees and prepare logs for shipping. The following spring Leif left the land laden with timber. This land Leif named Vínland the good. Outside the Greenland coast they found a ship stranded on a skerry. This ship was laden with wood. Leif and his men saved the crew and later salvaged the cargo. Due to these occurrences Leif gained his nickname ‘the lucky’.
The following year, Thorvald, Leif’s brother, went to Vínland and stayed in Leifsbúðir (=Leif’s base or camp). In the spring after the first winter Thorvald sailed westward along the shore. The land was both beautiful and well forested almost down to the shore, with only a narrow white sand beach. This area abounded with islands and was very shallow. They encountered neither men nor animals but on a westerly island they found a corn bail on a pole. They did not find other signs of humans and returned to the camp in the autumn.
The following summer Thorwald sailed east and north along the coast. Turning around a peninsula they encountered a sudden strong wind blowing. They drifted on to land and broke the keel of the ship. This caused a lengthy delay while they repaired the ship. This ness they named Kjalarnes (Keel-ness). They continued the journey into the mouth of a fjord that they then encountered. Here they took land on a forested headland where Thorwald announced that he would build his farm, ‘because this is a beautiful area’. Looking along a sandy strip towards land they saw three hills. They walked over there and came across three skin boats with three rowers in each. These men they killed but one escaped. Waking up from sleeping shortly thereafter they saw a multitude of skin boats coming on the fjord and a battle ensued. Thorvald was shot under the arm with an arrow and died. He was buried on the Headland where he had wanted to live, and two crosses, one at the head and the other at the feet were raised to mark his grave. This place they called Krossanes (Ness of Crosses).
Thorstein Eric’s son had married Gudrid Thorbjorn’s-daughter, Thorbjorn was son of Vifill a Celtic settler in Dalir in Iceland (see above). Thorstein died in Greenland about a year after his brother had been killed in Vínland.
Thorfinn Karlsefni, a wealthy man from Skagafjord in Iceland (Descendant of Auður djúpúðga – see above) stayed in Greenland over winter and married Gudrid, Thorstein’s widow, in the spring. In the following summer Thorfinn and Gudrid hired a crew of sixty-five. Leif lent his holdings in Vínland to Thorfinn but was unwilling to sell. Thorfinn and his crew stayed in Leifsbúðir (=Leif’s camp) the first winter. Next summer they encountered a large group of natives. These natives wanted to enter the building but were thwarted by Thorfinn and his men. They then wanted to sell skins for weapons. Thorfinn banned this but offered household articles and food. This was accepted. Neither group could understand the other’s language. The natives then left and Thorfinn made his crew build a timber fortress around the camp. This summer Gudrid bore Thorfinn their first child, a son named Snorri.
The following winter a still larger group of natives arrived. They wanted to trade the same as before. Thorfinn Karlsefni ordered the women to offer only food and nothing else. The natives then threw their wares over the fortress wall. One native was killed when they tried to take weapons off the men as payment for the wares. This winter there were more skirmishes with the natives and many of them were killed.
The following summer Thorfinn returned with his men to Greenland and later to Iceland after a trading trip to Norway where they stayed over winter. In the spring when Thorfinn prepared his ship for Iceland a ‘Southerner’ from Bremen in Saxland offered ½ a mark of gold for a timber chest that Thorfinn had with him from Vínland. Thorfinn did not know the name of the timber but it was ‘mössurr’ a Vínland timber. Thorfinn and Gudrid settled in Glaumbœr in Skagafjord. Snorri, their son took over Glaumbœr when his father died, and Gudrid went on a pilgrimage to Rome. (Gudrid may have been one of the most traveled females of her time) Returning to Glaumbœr she found that while she was away Snorri had built a church there. Gudrid became a nun and stayed in Glaumbœr until she died. She and Thorfinn had another son, Bjorn. Snorri had a son Thorgeirr. He was father of Yngvildur, Bishop Brand’s mother. Snorri’s daughter Hallfrid married Runolf. Their son was Bishop Thorlak. Bjorn’s daughter was Thorunn who was Bishop Bjorn’s mother. A large number of people are descended from Thorfinn Karlsefni and Gudrid.’ (Insert in italics is mine).
DEDUCTIONS & EVIDENCE OF FURTHER CONTACT WITH VÍNLAND
The account is in a literary sense one of the poorest in Icelandic medieval literature but its contents are fascinating. If we are to believe the account, there is no possibility, for example, that the Nordic ruins found in barren and treeless Lance aux Meadows is the Vínland of the sagas. We also know from Grœnlendinga þáttur (Section on Greenlanders) that further attempts at settlement were made. It is also almost certain that both Icelanders and Greenlanders made use of the forests of North America long after these settlement attempts.
One indication is the name of the timber used to make Thorfinn’s chest, the one he sold to the Saxon from Bremen. Thorfinn did not have a name for the timber at the time, but the scribe did, or suspected he did. ‘Mössurr’ is not a name for timbers known from Europe. Today we do not know which timber it refers to, but we know that the first timber the explorers would have encountered which was unfamiliar to them would have been Maple and Hickory in the Canadian Maritimes and New England, where wild grapes also occur. The coastline, especially of New England, is dotted with islands and headlands and nowhere else is the difference between high and low tide greater.
The history of American Native nations tells us that the Iroquoi-tribe was entering these same areas about the time these settlements were attempted.
It makes a lot of sense for a small group of timber loggers visiting this hostile area in the ensuing years to put up camp on a treeless coast, only approximately 30 km away from forested areas. Such arrangement allows tree gathering in daylight in relative safety and make an undetected approach to the base camp over water and treeless barren country difficult. The Lance aux Meadows ruins are much more likely to be viewed in this light.
‘Despite extravagant effort, archeologists have so far found only one authenticated Viking site, on Newfoundland. Nevertheless, it seems that for another 300 years, occasional Viking expeditions visited North America to collect timber for treeless Iceland.'(Magnusson, 1976 p.31)
The historian and biographer Andrew Sinclair has written at length about the history of Rosslyn (Rosslyn Chapel) (Gardiner, L. 1996 p 296) and the Sinclairs, imparting a detailed account of the Sinclair fleet’s transatlantic voyage in 1398.
The St Clairs (=Sinclairs) trace their ancestry back to Rögnvald the Mighty, Earl of Møre in Norway. It was Rögnvald’s second son, Göngu-Hrólfur, or Rollo, who provides the biological link with the dynasty. (See St Clair’s family tree in Gardiner, L. 1996 p 427/ 428)
This ancestry links the St Clairs with both Thorfinn Karlsefni (ibid + Icel. Ættar töflur = Clan books = family trees) and a large number of Icelanders. It is therefore likely that Gudrid, on her pilgrimage to Rome would have stayed with both; the Lords of the Isles in Scotland, and the St Clairs in Normandy. Both sides would therefore have been in possession of the information about her experiences in Vínland.
(She would have been travelling around 1030, well before both 1066, when William seized the crown of England, and 1057, when the first St Clair, William the Seemly came to Scotland.)
It is not far fetched to assume that Christopher Columbus, (who is known to have traveled to Ireland and Scotland and suspected of having traveled to Iceland as well long before his America voyages) got his first information about lands in the west at these latitudes. Linking this information with information he knew about the ‘silk route’ may have been the bases for his assumptions. Later research and calculations served to convince himself of the viability of his venture. This scenario would make his attempt, while certainly a courageous one, an informed risk, like all good risks are rather than a foolhardy one.
Today, August 7, 2007, I found the castle of the Rosemont/Rode family. Through they mists of time, the Red Knight has come home.Arnold graaf van had three sons, Ghijsbert van Rode, and Roelof (Rover) van Rode, and Hendrick van Rode. There is a Horst castle that was once called ‘castellum Rode’. This is the Rosemont family. Rode means “red” Ghijsbert was a ridder, a knight. Here is a real Red Knight that appear in Arthurian legends. This family has intermarried for several generations, they passing down the same names..Ghisburtus van Roesmont was a Dutch nobleman of some importance. His mother was jonkvrouw Adriana Theodorici ROVER. the daughter of Dirk Edmondszn ROOVER. The Roover family appears to descend from one of the Radbot rulers of Holland who was given the name Roover, or Rover due to conquest of the Netherlands. The Roover family would build Montroort castle one of the most prestigious castles in Holland. These two families were keen on forming a marriage alliance as Arnold Rover married Heilwigis Arnoldi Danielis ROESMONT. For this reason I suspect the Roesmont Wolf names came from Roelof the Roover R + Odilia van Montfoort. Perhaps the Roovers owned Wolfhouse where the Roesmonts came to live in 1450. Ghisburtus was the master of Saint Janskerk, and a member of Lieve-Vrouwe-broederschap that met in Janskerk church. Hieronymus Bosch was a member of the Zwanenbroeders (swan brothers) and was commissioned by the master of Janskerk to do a stained-glass window for the church. Ida of Boulogne was the sister of Godfrey de Boulogne. She married Herman of Malsen van Cuijk/Cuyck. Their daughter, Heilwig, married Arnold van Rode, thus the niece of Godfrey Bouillon was a van Rode/Roesmont. Ida’s mother was Ida of Lorraine. The name Ida may have come from Saint Oda a Scotish Princess who came to Holland. The Rode family appear to have taken their name from the town and church they built for this princess, Saint Odenrode. Rode means clearing in a forest. An elevated place within this glade would be a mound, thus the name, Rodemound.“huwelijk (van Rode-van Cuijk):”Godfrey de Bouillon was titled ‘Duke of Lorraine’. The Dukes of Lorraine descend from Ragnar the Viking and are close kin to the Dukes of Brabant, if not the same family, thus the crossbeams in the Cross of Lorraine?There are about a dozen Ida or Oda names that may have been taken from Saint Oda of Scotland. Robert de Bruce descends from Ida of Louvain. Maud of Louvain married Count Eustace of Bouillon, and thus is the great grandmother of Heilwig Roesmont.whose Roesmont descendant may have carried on her name and that of her husband, Arnold van Rode.”
I suspect Saint Oda may have originally been a Queen of the Frisians who born a liniage of Roses, and the Lords of Rode. That Godfrey’s sister, Ida, is disappeared from most geneaologies, along with his niece Heilwig van Rode, tells me there is a REAL ROSE LINE that could have been revelead by the Swan Knight
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