Believing I was childless, I found a good hobby to waste my time with, perhaps for the rest of my life. Like millions of people, I became intrigued with the idea Jesus had children by Mary Magdalene. Then my daughter and her mother came into my life. They wanted to be in Snyder’s biography about my late sister, the artist ‘Rosamond’ and were not happy at all to see my preoccupation.
Jon Presco
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1y6vVevSUa0
http://www.rennes-le-chateau-rhedae.com/rlc/soskin.html
http://www.portail-rennes-le-chateau.com/chaumeil_decherisey_english.htm
http://rennesgroup.pbworks.com/w/page/9979138/List%20of%20Issues
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http://rennesgroup.pbworks.com/w/page/9979138/List%20of%20Issues
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ry_sIBJ4Ek
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk%3ARennes-le-Ch%C3%A2teau
Erasing a whole page just to insert a few bibliographic references and make disparaging remarks is NOT appropriate. David.Monniaux 19:43, 22 Apr 2004 (UTC)
The following text was moved from the article page: olivier 18:05, Dec 5, 2004 (UTC)
- “Message from Paul Smith:
- Guess what folks – none of the essential French books on Berenger Sauniere and Rennes-le-Chateau have ever been translated into English – and henceforth we have to put up with silly articles like this on Wikipedia – and it is no good re-writing the rubbish found on this particular page because the fantasies will, like a bad tooth, find their way back to this page again (Aardark from Wikipedia has taken offence to the facts about Sauniere and Rennes-le-Chateau).
- The stories of Sauniere’s “wealth” originate from the 1950s and are a plain myth. For example, Sauniere’s entire estate was only valued at 15,000 Francs in 1913 by the Credit Foncier de France after he had asked it for a loan because he did not have enough money to even buy food (TIP: This is not a viewpoint but a fact).
- This was not the first time that Sauniere had asked for a loan in order to eat. Sauniere lived in poverty for most of his life except for the period between 1896-1905 and we have the relevant paperwork to prove it – he was living from the selling of masses during those latter years and the paperwork for that exists as well (TIP: This is not a viewpoint but a fact).
- Monsignor Billard, Sauniere’s Bishop, was far more wealthier – he inherited over a million Francs in 1891 from a rich widow and he too, lived from selling masses and, like Sauniere was to be suspended from his sacerdotal duties over allegations relating to financial impropriety within the Church (TIP: This is not a viewpoint but a fact).
- Paul Smith”
This seems to happen every few months. I am certainly appreciative of Paul Smith’s collection of English language documentation refuting the Plantard/Baigent/Lincoln/et al ideas about Rennes-le-Chateau and Sauniere. When I first read HBHG in the late 80s, I didn’t need much convincing that it was all a bunch of nonsense. I recently collected the Wikipedia articles on this subject in a category, Priory of Sion hoax. Wikipedia does need to report what is included in books like Holy Blood, Holy Grail as well as the evidence against it. That doesn’t mean it should uncritically accept what HBHG says, but the information should be there. My thought is that we also create a new article, e.g. Evidence against the Priory of Sion hoax, where extensive information on the problems with the “theory” could be provided. With the popularity of The Da Vinci Code, it seems appropriate to me that Wikipedia include this sort of coverage. However, I don’t think Wikipedia should be a place for polemics, either for or against any viewpoint. Also, I would ask that all contributors try to adhere to the Wikipedia collaborative model. Gwimpey 20:10, Dec 6, 2004 (UTC)
http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.culture.templar.rosemont/1564
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Jon Presco <braskewitz <at> yahoo.com>
2005-10-12 01:12:35 GMT
--- In templars <at> yahoogroups.com, "Jon Presco" <braskewitz <at> y...> wrote: Those who have associated me with Paul Smith are guilty of slander. To put my name on a poll with Paul Smith, is slander. Paula Stiles has done this with malicious intent, after she used Paul to slander me. She is the one who wanted to become Paul's good buddy, and I had to post the many disruptive posts Paul had put on the Danvicni Code group to prove to her how disruptive he is. Paula and Paul are just alike! They are quite the pair. They both have harassed me in these templar groups. After learning what a bad reputation Paul has, Paula with intent to destroy my reputation, began associating my good name with Paul - knowling I am authoring a valid book. I have kept the e-mails where she has done this. Jon Presco
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Henry Lincoln (real name, Henry Soskin)
Paul Smith
Complaint from Henry Lincoln –
Broadcasting Standards Commission Adjudication 25 June 1997
From the moment when the BBC2 ‘Chronicle’ documentary ‘The Lost Treasure of Jerusalem?’ was transmitted at 5:30pm on Good Friday 31 March 1971, Henry Lincoln has been guilty of perpetuating the pseudo-historical myths dating from the mid-1950s of Rennes-le-Château as concocted by Noel Corbu, Pierre Plantard, Philippe de Chérisey and Gérard de Sède – these myths have long been laid to rest in France – updates on the subject matter have been published in French books since 1974 – and in particular by Editions Bélisane from 1983 onwards – but Henry Lincoln remains undaunted by such things – and that “monument of mediocrity” (as described by one French critic) ‘The Holy Blood and the Holy Grail’ continues to disseminate pseudo-historical myths on a massive popular scale. The activities of the Abbé Bérenger Saunière (as well as those of Pierre Plantard) are very well documented but Henry Lincoln has not noted these facts and they are certainly not to be found in any of his books.
http://www.rennes-le-chateau-rhedae.com/rlc/complaint.html
| A one-time television scriptwriter for British television series like ‘Dr Who’ and ‘Emergency Ward 10’ – Henry Lincoln planned from an early age to become an actor and he starred in episodes of ‘The Avengers’ and ‘Man In A Suitcase’ during the 1960s. Lincoln also co-wrote the screenplay to the 1968 Boris Karloff film ‘The Curse of the Crimson Altar’ and thus was ideally suited to become that someone to collate, to promote and to popularise something that belonged to the world of the imagination. |
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_Lincoln
The Holy Blood and the Holy Grail[edit]
Henry Lincoln is best known for being one of the co-authors of the controversial 1982 best-seller The Holy Blood and the Holy Grail. During the mid-1970s, while Lincoln was lecturing at a summer school, he met Richard Leigh, an American fiction writer. Leigh introduced him to Michael Baigent, a New Zealand photo-journalist who had been working on a project about the Knights Templar. The three discovered that they shared a common interest in the Knights Templar, and between them later developed a theory that Jesus Christ had started a bloodline that had later intermarried with the Frankish Merovingian royal dynasty.
The three of them took their theory on the road during the 1970s in a series of lectures that later developed into the 1982 book, The Holy Blood and the Holy Grail, which became a best-seller and popularised the theory that Jesus had fathered a still extant and powerful bloodline (the true Holy Grail), and was all tied together by a fake secret society known as the Priory of Sion. These ideas were later used as the basis of Dan Brown’s novel The Da Vinci Code.
The book has been described as “a work thoroughly debunked by scholars and critics alike”.[4] Arthurian scholar Richard Barber has commented, “It would take a book as long as the original to refute and dissect The Holy Blood and the Holy Grail point by point: it is essentially a text which proceeds by innuendo, not by refutable scholarly debate”.[5]
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Times Literary Supplement 29 March 1991 No 4591
The ruins of a mystery Dr Paul G Bahn
Henry Lincoln
The myth of Rennes-le-Château – so beloved of occultists and ‘aficionados’ of the “Unexplained” – is ranked with the Bermuda Triangle, Atlantis and ancient astronauts as a source of ill-informed and lunatic books. This small Pyrenean village has been seen as the location of, among other lost treasures, that of Jerusalem and the Holy Grail. Henry Lincoln bears much of the blame for this. The pseudonymous writer of BBC dramas such as “Dr Who”, he happened on a French book about a “treasure” which a nineteenth-century parish priest in Rennes was supposed to have found. The tale so fired his imagination that he was able to put together three BBC documentaries and two books on the subject, all filled with cryptic clues, dark conspiracies and secret societies. The first book, ‘The Holy Blood and the Holy Grail’, proposed the theory that Christ had staged his crucifixion, married Mary Magdalene and eventually sired the Merovingian dynasty. Its review in the TLS of 22 May, 1982, called it a “worthless…rather silly book”. But Lincoln has moved on. He has now shifted emphasis away from the treasure – perhaps he finally read the work of local historians and archivists which proved long ago that there was no such thing. He also seems to have realised that much of the evidence which loomed so large in his earlier accounts was bogus, the parchments and tombstone inscriptions and “Visigothic pillar” all modern forgeries like the “ancient” society of the “Prieuré de Sion”, actually founded in 1956. However, the goose has now laid a different golden egg. Lincoln has discovered the eighth wonder of the ancient world, “perhaps the largest structure ever built by man upon the face of the earth” with an engineering complexity that far exceeds that of the Pyramids. What, one wonders, could this marvel be? Lincoln has turned to geomancy. In this slim volume of large print and numerous diagrams, he shows us what can be achieved by playing with a ruler and a pair of compasses on a map. All the old Rennes-le-Château paraphernalia is re-examined as a source of secrets, riddles, false trails, and the tantalizing hints and clues which point to a huge geometric temple laid out in the region – though why he calls it a temple is never explained. Occultists had already associated Rennes with pentagrams; Lincoln has taken this to extremes, and his book is filled with pentagons (regular and irregular), triangles, six and ten-pointed stars, grids and overlapping circles. His thesis is that practically everything in the region, regardless of date – castles, churches, shepherd huts, ruins of any kind, ‘calvaires’, junctions of tracks, caves, springs – was purposefully laid out by some genius to fit exactly on all these superimposed geometric forms. Even the Paris meridian of 1718 was designed to fit the temple. What is more, it was all done in exact distances of miles and half miles. Lincoln readily admits that measuring all these points on modern IGN 1:25,000 maps is one thing, but laying them out over many miles on a flat plain with rudimentary equipment would be a tall order; and the mountainous terrain around Rennes is the very opposite of a flat plain, with steep valleys, deep rivers and towering hills. Yet his exact measurements and equidistant points are based entirely on his maps – ie, on distances as the crow flies. It is impossible to imagine how early surveyors without accurate maps could have laid out anything of the kind on the ground. The author carefully avoids these points; he hints at megalithic stone circles, and inevitably mentions Druids, but in fact it is clear that he has no idea how and when his temple was laid out. He has derived inspiration from the work of another local priest of the nineteenth century, the Abbé Boudet. Lincoln recognizes that Boudet’s theories on language were ridiculous, but accepts as gospel his equally potty concept of a vast megalithic “cromlech” in the region. Had Lincoln investigated Pyrenean archaeology he would know that cromlechs are not found east of Ariège, and in any case are never megalithic but Iron Age circles only a few metres across. Lincoln even uses Boudet’s theory that English was the original universal language in order to assert that all the structures laid out around Rennes used the mile. Contrary to Lincoln’s claim that this area is “still virgin and almost completely unexplored territory” archaeologically, the region is well known, especially with regard to megalithic monuments. Another point on which basic archaeological knowledge would have enlightened the author is his “discovery” of massive drystone walls in the hills; far from being a “lost city”, as he hopes, they in fact form a tiny part of the extensive and well documented network of predominantly pastoral constructions in this region and in south east France. Lincoln tells us that he almost succeeded in devoting a fourth TV documentary to these aspects of the “mystery” – fortunately the producer finally decided against the idea. The book’s bibliography lists the excellent ‘Ley Lines in Question’ by Tom Williamson and Liz Bellamy; but Lincoln either has not read it or has failed to understand its message that “it is possible to join up dots to make….triangles, heptagons and so on, but the fact that you can do so does not in itself mean that anyone ever intended this to be possible or planned the landscape with these shapes in mind.” Statisticians have found that complex geometric structures can easily arise on maps by chance. Instead of detecting geometry concealed in the landscape, Lincoln has imposed abstract designs on it. Like those of any ley-hunter, his figures contain only one or two points of genuine archaeological or historical importance. His methods lead him to “seemingly insignificant ruins, to caves and springs scattered about the countryside, all of which are fixed unquestionably by the developing geometric patterns fixed by meaningful distances.” Points that are crucial to his patterns but where he can find nothing “must once have been marked”. A cave is claimed to be man-made (“the grotto appears to be natural, but such is the incredible exactitude of its placing in relation to the five mountains that a human agency must be suspected”). Reviews of his earlier ‘Holy Blood’ referred to it as amateurish, ignorant, grotesque, a “farrago of non-sequiturs” and a piling-up of inconsistencies and unsupported suppositions. The most generous verdict one can give here is that the author has remained firmly attached to his chosen style. |




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